Hsm problems?

[LWolken]

The loads are hot period. The bolt lift was most certainly stiff upon extraction on those loads. The problem is not the firing pin nor protrusion nor does the bolt face need to be bushed since the primer leaked around the edge and not at the firing pin strike. I'd be wondering if the brass was once fired creating a loose fitting primer to begin with? Then I'd be wondering why they are using regular primers and not mag spec primers? Winchesters cup material is very soft when compared to the likes of CCI. Thats been my experience. Its a pretty rookie move for a company like HSM to use them. Remember that just because they use premium bullets does not mean that they will shoot any better than other "shelf" ammo. For premium ammo to shoot well especially VLD's it needs to be tuned to the gun this usually requires hand loading your own.

[randal]

The loads are hot period. The bolt lift was most certainly stiff upon extraction on those loads. The problem is not the firing pin nor protrusion nor does the bolt face need to be bushed since the primer leaked around the edge and not at the firing pin strike. I'd be wondering if the brass was once fired creating a loose fitting primer to begin with? Then I'd be wondering why they are using regular primers and not mag spec primers? Winchesters cup material is very soft when compared to the likes of CCI. Thats been my experience. Its a pretty rookie move for a company like HSM to use them. Remember that just because they use premium bullets does not mean that they will shoot any better than other "shelf" ammo. For premium ammo to shoot well especially VLD's it needs to be tuned to the gun this usually requires hand loading your own.

I bought some nosler trophy grade, that's pretty much the only option besides hsm right now.. I don't really need to shoot past 400 yards.. I really don't need the ultra mag but one day I'd like to be able to make 600-700 yard shots..

[Mike D]

The loads are hot period. The bolt lift was most certainly stiff upon extraction on those loads. The problem is not the firing pin nor protrusion nor does the bolt face need to be bushed since the primer leaked around the edge and not at the firing pin strike. I'd be wondering if the brass was once fired creating a loose fitting primer to begin with? Then I'd be wondering why they are using regular primers and not mag spec primers? Winchesters cup material is very soft when compared to the likes of CCI. Thats been my experience. Its a pretty rookie move for a company like HSM to use them. Remember that just because they use premium bullets does not mean that they will shoot any better than other "shelf" ammo. For premium ammo to shoot well especially VLD's it needs to be tuned to the gun this usually requires hand loading your own.

I see no evidence of those being hot loads. The primers aren't excessively flattened, there's no ejector marks on the head or any other signs other than some primer flow around the pin and soft primer cups can do that.

I think it's just loose primer pockets.

[LWolken]

I see no evidence of those being hot loads. The primers aren't excessively flattened, there's no ejector marks on the head or any other signs other than some primer flow around the pin and soft primer cups can do that.

I think it's just loose primer pockets.

They are not shootable with those primers. Same load might be totally safe with better primers but the flow is unacceptable and they are flat with squared corners. I agree about the lack of ejector marks but again not safe with those primers.

[randal]

We'll they emailed me back and said they did some more research and they think their ammo is fine and the problem is prob my gun, but now they remember rem 700's having issues with primer flow from their past notes..

[LWolken]

The problem is the primers. There is nothing wrong with the gun unless you continue to shoot that load with those primers. If so I would send off the bolt and have the firing pin hole bushed. Keep in mind that it will not prevent what happened just reducing the possibility of piercing primers through the strike. That load would probably be acceptable with any number of different primers that have harder cups. Might be worth measuring the firing pin protrusion and make sure its not too much. Those primer strikes look pretty deep but it could also just be due to the flow. How did the cases extract after firing? Was the bolt handle lift sticky/heavy?

Might could try this...

http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1227427856/hollands-oversized-accelerated-firing-pin-kit-remington-700&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ei=fhBsVMS4ENeBygSg2IG4Bw&ved=0CBQQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFa3iGx3ppWqpBhbJVvzihnES2dcw

[Mike D]

After that second response, I'm with Randal I wouldn't be buying any more of it.

The lackadaisical attitude they are taking toward his concern is what's turning me off.

I agree the problem is with the primer but their responses to me indicate a lack of give a flip.

[kmitchl]

I had a similar problem recently. Remington 700, 7mm-08 loaded with H380, 120 gr Nosler BT, Winchester brass and Win primer. Loaded at max load per the Hogdon tables. Blew out around the edge of the primer. I know the COAL is not too long. I have to load shorter than I would normally to get the rounds to fit in the magazine. I suspect it is due to soft primers. I have used Remington primers for years but went to Win primers in this gun because it would not reliably light the Remington's.

[randal]

If my gun was the issue I would have no problem with that but first they tell me it may be head spacing and have it checked out, took it to a gun smith had it checked out like they said, it was perfectly fine no head space issue. After that I emailed them back to let them know, now they review their past notes and remember they have had issues with it not working properly in the newer 700's? If it's a common problem with 700's it would have been nice to have a little note on the box or something to keep me from wasting my money on it..

[randal]

They just emailed me and said "It's not an issue as it doesn't affect the performance of the ammunition. It just leaves a little dimple on the primer. It's not specific to the 7mm RUM."

[BDR]

I'm no gun expert but... Have you maybe tried to shoot these in a different gun. Maybe a friend or family member has the same caliber you could use. Just my thoughts. I just switched last month to HSM ammo in a remington 700 cdl in 7mm08 and it shoots lights out. I've killed a hog and a buck so far and the internal damage on both was like I have never seen. Neither animal took a step with direct shoulder shots. So far they've got me as a satisfied customer.

[randal]

I'm no gun expert but... Have you maybe tried to shoot these in a different gun. Maybe a friend or family member has the same caliber you could use. Just my thoughts. I just switched last month to HSM ammo in a remington 700 cdl in 7mm08 and it shoots lights out. I've killed a hog and a buck so far and the internal damage on both was like I have never seen. Neither animal took a step with direct shoulder shots. So far they've got me as a satisfied customer.

I haven't, I figured if there is no head spacing issue and the gunnchecked out by gunsmith it should be good, I think they were talking about newer Remington's in that caliber only not every caliber..