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    Reloading question for those more experienced than me...

    I've been loading for a few years now, and I've worked up some really accurate loads for nearly every rifle I own, with the exception of my AR, just because it's a fun gun, not really intended to put 5 rounds into a single hole and on a single stage press, I can load for an hour and run out of ammo in 5 minutes or less. Anyway, my question is in regards to pressure signs.

    When loading for a .223 TC Encore, my .308 Rem 700 and a .270 WSM, I get what I call cratering on the primers. Primer strike looks like a moon crater, has the indention and a little ridge of metal around it. I was always under the impression that cratering meant you were approaching unsafe pressure, if not just over the safety threshold. Okay, so, if that's the case, why do I get the cratering on minimum loads from a couple of published sources. When I load for Kaitlin's .243, I don't get the craters. When I get craters on the starting load, but no other pressure signs, such as ejector scrubbing, bright ring at the case web etc, I'll continue carefully. I've gone from starting loads to published max loads with craters from start to finish and never seen any other signs of high pressure. Never a sticky bolt, nothing. For the .223 and the .308 I'm using 165gr bullets over Varget and CCI primers. For the .270WSM, I'm using 140gr bullets over H4831SC and CCI primers. I've loaded .243 with 95gr bullets over both IMR4350 and H4831 with CCI primers and not gotten craters. It's really got me perplexed. Every time I get the craters, I'm scared to fire the next load, but when I get the same look from Min-max loads, I've come to the conclusion that craters mean basically nothing.

    What say you, reloading gurus?

    #2
    Id have to see a pic... most of the time first signs of over pressure will be flat primers after the round is fired, then sticky bolt left... as far as how the firing pin is hitting the primer may be a different issuse... ive heard of punctured primers wherr the firig pin punctures the primer.... but as far as a moon crater id have to see pics to understand more...

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      #3
      Most published data is safe and well within the safe range... I have loads that I went above published data for and still have no issues and it is my baby load!!

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        #4
        Originally posted by ducks-and-bucks View Post
        Most published data is safe and well within the safe range... I have loads that I went above published data for and still have no issues and it is my baby load!!
        Yeah, that's what I thought too, but I still refuse to go outside published data. I'm not seeing what I would call "flat" primers, but they are a bit more flat than when freshly seated, I'll go see if I have some fired rounds to take pics of.

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          #5
          Yeah post up pics of the brass, and primers in the fired brass

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            #6
            Originally posted by txfireguy2003 View Post
            For the .223 and the .308 I'm using 165gr bullets over Varget and CCI primers.
            I would bet this is your problem!

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              #7
              I would think that your firing pin strike is the main inconsistency. It takes quite a bit to puncture a primer. I judge pressure from the flattened edge of primer and sticky bolt.

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                #8
                You can also get that ring around the primer on a factory bolt if the firing pin does not match the firing pin hole correctly, allowing the metal to flow back into it. That is one of the reasons you can have the firing pin hole bushed with custom bolt work. I have one Savage that does it, no matter how light the loads are. Not a reliable indicator IMO. Plus the cup on some primers are harder than others (by that I mean different brands), so flattening of primers is not as reliable an indicator as some folks believe, either. Use primers with a hard cup, and some hard brass like Lapua, and you can get some pretty high actual pressures without the "conventional" pressure signs folks generally talk about. Or use a soft brass like Federal, and they may show up way early.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by flyby View Post
                  I would bet this is your problem!
                  hahaha, you got me there! 65gr for 223 and 165 for 308. I changed my mind in the middle of the sentence. Was going to just say I used Varget, then decided to give all the specs.

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                    #10
                    Oversized firing pin hole, it is a common problem on Remington's. A gunsmith can put a bushing in to fix the problem. It doesn't cause any problems on a factory hunting rifle, but can lead to accuracy problems on a bench rifle.

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