I Guess the cat is out of the bag now. No more gun free school zone for us

[jkrueger16]

Great

[TheReverend]

great!

[Shane]

If you can guarantee me that there aren't people out there that will see this as a challenge, I might change my mind. If that is the case, we might be able to end all school shootings with signs.

There are no guarantees on either side - certainly no guarantees that "gun free zones" won't be attacked. They seem to be the places that attract attacks, due to the abundance of soft targets.

Question... If there are nutcases that love a challenge, then where are the reports of shooters hitting a gun show or anywhere else that simply isn't a gun free zone?

Whether these evil people are cowards or not isn't the point. The main point is that they are intent on killing as many people as possible. They're evil, but they're not stupid. They know that if they show up and attack a crowd that has an armed citizen or 3 in it, then they are not likely to be able to empty all their mags before being taken down.

I don't see how allowing teachers to be armed will attract violence. It will be a deterrent. And even if a bad guy with a gun does show up, it will at least make it possible for an attack to end sooner than it would end if the victims were all huddled under desks hoping the cops show up soon.

[Ccarter]

The crazy people are always going to be crazy it's good that there are teachers and staff armed to protect the kids! Finally someone is allowing common sense to play a factor instead of political correctness! The world would be a better place if everyone acted that way!

[Daniel75]

There are no guarantees on either side - certainly no guarantees that "gun free zones" won't be attacked. They seem to be the places that attract attacks, due to the abundance of soft targets.

Question... If there are nutcases that love a challenge, then where are the reports of shooters hitting a gun show or anywhere else that simply isn't a gun free zone?

Whether these evil people are cowards or not isn't the point. The main point is that they are intent on killing as many people as possible. They're evil, but they're not stupid. They know that if they show up and attack a crowd that has an armed citizen or 3 in it, then they are not likely to be able to empty all their mags before being taken down.

I don't see how allowing teachers to be armed will attract violence. It will be a deterrent. And even if a bad guy with a gun does show up, it will at least make it possible for an attack to end sooner than it would end if the victims were all huddled under desks hoping the cops show up soon.

In short, I think he's saying he's all for teachers carrying, he's just not thrilled they're advertising it because someone may challenge it.

[Slingblade]

It's about time. Working on that now at our school.

[Slingblade]

In short, I think he's saying he's all for teachers carrying, he's just not thrilled they're advertising it because someone may challenge it.

I disagree. We should post this up at every school in the nation......... and back it up. It's time to take a stand "You will not harm our children while we are here". We will fight to the death to protect them.;

[Jeremy7306]

Good stuff there!

[Cuz]

I'm on the fence about this personally. I believe there absolutely should be "guards" (TRAINED!) that are armed at schools. I don't know if I'm on board with teachers (NOT TRAINED) carrying weapons at school. IF that's the direction this is headed.

[JSF]

Awesome !!

[tvc184]

Hmmmm.....generally I like your thoughts/posts but I'm going to respectfully disagree in part. I just went through an "active shooter" school where we talked about this in depth (doesn't mean our conclusions are correct).

They do expect to die, and most all of them commit suicide once LE shows up, because they are cowards, but, they have free reign for the first 4, 5, 8 , 10, 15 minutes until someone shows up to stop them. The Killeen Luby's shooter for example had numerous minutes to commit his violence and as soon as LE showed up and returned fire, he fled and committed suicide and the list goes on.

My point is, that if a "shooter" thinks he will get immediate return fire thereby not allowing him to inflict maximum damage, he'll move on to a softer target. After all, what they want to do is make EASY kills. An armed faculty certainly doesn't make it easy.

I will ask you this from a law enforcement standpoint.

When you go to an active shooter school, do you learn to move down hallways and corners in formation like maybe a diamond or some other way that gives you 360 coverage of the element? Do you practice force on force (like simunition) at full speed to enter and take the bad guy/guys out?

I would say of course you do. But why all the training and schools? Won't most all of them commit suicide once law enforcement shows up and pops off a couple of rounds?

Why did we spend millions and millions of dollars nationwide when it is almost a certainly that the guy will kill himself once we show up on scene?

It is simple, because we don't know. We can guess and hope.

Like police going through active shooter schools, we don't know do we. We train as if the next guy isn't going to follow the "mold" that we have stereotyped them into. To make it more simple, you went to an active shooter school and you talked about it in depth. You should have asked the instructors if think that the guy is simply going to kill himself at the sight of the police, why are they instructing the school? Then you put out the caveat... "our conclusions may not be correct".

That is all that I am saying. When you get past the bravado, in this situation it may not be the best course of action. I am for any teacher being armed if he/she wants to, has rules on weapon retention (not leaving it in a desk, etc.) and passes some kind of qualifying or decision making school more stringent than the standard CHL. I am just not convinced that posting signs that basically say, "make my day", is the best way to do it.

[jeffpg]

gotta love that!

[GarGuy]

tvc184.

I almost always agree with your post and probably agree with most of it this time. I do however, believe the sign may deter an active shooter event. Most school shooters do plan to die whether cowards or not. My thought process is that if they go there to die...the sooner the better. If a school security guard can get it done 15 minutes before PD can get there, someones child might be saved because of it.

I think its good to let students know staff is armed...just not WHICH ones.

[iamntxhunter]

I have to disagree with TVC in that I believe anyone going to a school to shoot children is a coward. JMO

By the way I like the sign and all that it stands for. People are tired of being easy targets. If this sign invites someone, to me that is a big if, I hope they get what they came for. DEATH that is quickly delivered by an armed citizen.

[Wildman]

I am just not convinced that posting signs that basically say, "make my day", is the best way to do it.

My issue really is not a sign but more the prep of the a shooter to the fact that he will need to be more protected to fight. If I know I am going into a bar to get into a fight, I wear head gear. Not saying I am going to win by any means just that I will be able to swing more before I get beat. Does this make sense?

Its like this Glock Block thing. Now anyone wanting to rob that village knows to bring a bigger gun and protection from bullets.