30.06 sign

[WCB]

Don't think so. It is my understanding that any sign other than 3006 or 51% does not apply to chl holders.

Read PC 30.06 (a) 2 (B) and PC 30.06 (b)
Written notice is the proverbial 30.06 sinage, but if informed by the owner or his agent, you are told to leave and you do not then it is trespass.
Am I wrong on this?

[tvc184]

Read PC 30.06 (a) 2 (B) and PC 30.06 (b)
Written notice is the proverbial 30.06 sinage, but if informed by the owner or his agent, you are told to leave and you do not then it is trespass.
Am I wrong on this?

Correct.

Anytime someone tells you to leave their (owner, manager or person with authority to speak for them) property and you refuse, it is trespassing unless you have an equal right to be there (member of the same household, spouse, etc.).

Under the CHL, that have added a special law on what is a written warning. For trespassing by a CHL, the notice can be the exact wording required in"written communication" by sign or card or, just like all other trespassing, orally.

It is simple. If someone tells you to leave, you gotta leave. Under trespassing by a CHL holder, they merely added a very clear law on what the written warning must be to take any ambiguity out of it. No ghost buster signs, no sign that merely says "no firearms", etc. Other than the exact wording as required by sign, it is pretty much just like any other trespassing.

[Coach W]

Correct.

Anytime someone tells you to leave their (owner, manager or person with authority to speak for them) property and you refuse, it is trespassing unless you have an equal right to be there (member of the same household, spouse, etc.).

Under the CHL, that have added a special law on what is a written warning. For trespassing by a CHL, the notice can be the exact wording required in"written communication" by sign or card or, just like all other trespassing, orally.

It is simple. If someone tells you to leave, you gotta leave. Under trespassing by a CHL holder, they merely added a very clear law on what the written warning must be to take any ambiguity out of it. No ghost buster signs, no sign that merely says "no firearms", etc. Other than the exact wording as required by sign, it is pretty much just like any other trespassing.

So as a CHL holder I walk right by the "no firearms" sign and I'm not trespassing as a CHL holder?

[tvc184]

So as a CHL holder I walk right by the "no firearms" sign and I'm not trespassing as a CHL holder?

It is only trespassing if it has the exact wording require writing listed in PC 30.06.....

"Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"

...in English and Spanish in block letters at least 1" in height and with contrasting colors.

Other than that, the written notice does not apply to a sign. Of course the owner/manager can still tell you face to face or hand you a card with the same wording.

These have no validity in the law. There is nothing wrong with them but there still needs to be wording as described above as the signs have no legal meaning in Texas.

[konahoss]

If your gun is concealed properly who really cares? Seriously these threads are so repetitive. I will carry everywhere I can unless I have to be screened.

[Coach W]

Thanks TVC that's what I thought but would hate to be misinformed on this particular subject. I carry daily and so far I haven't seen a valid 30.06 sign.

I do slow down and look for them now!

If your gun is concealed properly who really cares? Seriously these threads are so repetitive. I will carry everywhere I can unless I have to be screened.

You carry just in case you have to use it... If you have to use it after you passed a 30.06 sign, you're in trouble.

[WCB]

Now I will tell you that Love Field Airport has a "No firearm" sign that is not a 30.06 and in talking with airport LEOs they said I could not carry in. Even though the law say's I can as long as I don't try to go into the unsecured areas the LEOs told me the would arrest and let the judge sort it out...

[WCB]

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[konahoss]

Thanks TVC that's what I thought but would hate to be misinformed on this particular subject. I carry daily and so far I haven't seen a valid 30.06 sign.

I do slow down and look for them now!



You carry just in case you have to use it... If you have to use it after you passed a 30.06 sign, you're in trouble.

I agree completely, but I would rather take that chance in order to protect my family if it ever happens.

[konahoss]

Now I will tell you that Love Field Airport has a "No firearm" sign that is not a 30.06 and in talking with airport LEOs they said I could not carry in. Even though the law say's I can as long as I don't try to go into the unsecured areas the LEOs told me the would arrest and let the judge sort it out...

From the sound of it, they don't feel they have to abide by State law.

[DeadeyeDeb]

I agree completely, but I would rather take that chance in order to protect my family if it ever happens.

Should you get caught you will forever lose your right to CC, to do just that. I understand your reasoning, but, be careful you don't shoot yourself in the foot, "just because".
Are you prepared to do jail time, felony time, should you pass a 30.06 sign and then find yourself needing to use that gun? As the law will see it, even tho you were protecting yours and maybe others, you were breaking the law as well and the penalty is great. As well, as the backlash of taking a life if it came to that. Your self defense, defense of others in this situation could become a murder charge on you. Do you have the CHL insurance? These are things that should be well thought out ahead of time.
I hope you never have to be in the position to ever have to make those decisions. Or any one of us that has or will have a CHL soon.

[DeadeyeDeb]

From the sound of it, they don't feel they have to abide by State law.

But, from your post as well neither do you. So does this make either right?

[KenHays]

I'm sorry gentlemen,
Every shooting rampage that has taken place recently was in "Gun Free" zones. It is for this reason, that I will always carry to ensure my safety, the safety of my family and others around me. If I am arrested for carrying in a gun free zone.....better to be judged by 12 instead of carried b 6.

[konahoss]

But, from your post as well neither do you. So does this make either right?

I have yet been in an establishment or on any property requiring me to be unarmed other than federal or LE properties. My first priority is always my family, that includes providing and protecting. If I was to ever be on property that is illegal for me to carry, then I will weigh my options. When I have to go to the Courthouse or airport I lock it in my truck vault. But to answer your question above, yes I am willing to go to jail to protect my daughter if an imminent threat was heading her way. Yes I have CHL insurance. If there was an active shooter scenario on a 30.06 property, I would protect my daughter the best I could, other than that I couldn't tell you what I would do. Honestly, just due to the fact that I can not see in the future.

[DeadeyeDeb]

Fair enough. Was just hoping you have have thought about it with a rational mind as opposed to emotional mind. I hope none of us EVER have to be in the position to have to make these split second decisions.
As they say, with this right comes great responsibility. And you seem to have thought it out quite rationally.