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    #16
    Thank you guys for the information I have shells ready for loads and they are marked, but my operations is on standby, I didnt realize the kit my wife got for me didn't have a factory crip die and I didn't know to look for one. So before I can do any thing I will have to get a factory crimp die 270 win, then I can start working my loads....

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      #17
      You don't really need the FCD for most rifle loads. FWIW, if your bullets are cannelured, you can just use the crimper built into the die, if you really feel the need to crimp at all.

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        #18
        I agree with Tallnhairy on this one. I never crimped any thing I made to feed through a bolt or brake open rifle. Its not desirable as it can have a negative affect on accuracy.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Pearson View Post
          I agree with Tallnhairy on this one. I never crimped any thing I made to feed through a bolt or brake open rifle. Its not desirable as it can have a negative affect on accuracy.
          The only rifle cartridge that I can think of that sometimes does better with a good crimp is 22 hornet. Accuracy can actually improve wit a crimp for it but most cartridges wont.

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            #20
            Originally posted by tallnhairy View Post
            You don't really need the FCD for most rifle loads. FWIW, if your bullets are cannelured, you can just use the crimper built into the die, if you really feel the need to crimp at all.
            That is personal preference. I use a FCD on all of my rounds. I've seen more consistent velocities and zero setback on all of my rounds using the FCD.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Mike D View Post
              That is personal preference. I use a FCD on all of my rounds. I've seen more consistent velocities and zero setback on all of my rounds using the FCD.
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                #22
                Originally posted by Mike D View Post
                That is personal preference. I use a FCD on all of my rounds. I've seen more consistent velocities and zero setback on all of my rounds using the FCD.
                True it is a personal thing, and for hunting you would most likely never see a diverse affect when crimping.

                But you'll never see a crimp on a round of a bench rest bunch and this is for a reason.

                But to; a world away from our hunting applications. Trying to think of the last time I saw someone judging a shot on a game animal with a set of dial calipers. Right? LOL

                It kinda reminded me of the shock my old bud had when he caught me loading my high power match rounds with a Dillon 550 progressive machine. LOL

                I was winning as much as anyone on our in house teem and he would spend hours turning the inner necks of his brass etc. etc... and there I was loading for the whole weekend in less than hour total. LOL

                I guess there is a lot of work between a good shot and three thousandths to win; but I like it all.

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                  #23
                  nzwermann, you have a PM.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Mike D View Post
                    That is personal preference. I use a FCD on all of my rounds. I've seen more consistent velocities and zero setback on all of my rounds using the FCD.
                    the only thing i religiously crimp, tapered, is everything going in my AR mags and pistol ammo.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Pearson View Post
                      True it is a personal thing, and for hunting you would most likely never see a diverse affect when crimping.

                      But you'll never see a crimp on a round of a bench rest bunch and this is for a reason.

                      But to; a world away from our hunting applications. Trying to think of the last time I saw someone judging a shot on a game animal with a set of dial calipers. Right? LOL

                      It kinda reminded me of the shock my old bud had when he caught me loading my high power match rounds with a Dillon 550 progressive machine. LOL

                      I was winning as much as anyone on our in house teem and he would spend hours turning the inner necks of his brass etc. etc... and there I was loading for the whole weekend in less than hour total. LOL

                      I guess there is a lot of work between a good shot and three thousandths to win; but I like it all.
                      I agree that benchrest shooters are a different breed and are looking to squeeze every last ounce of accuracy they can. However, most times they are shooting single shot and not stripping and feeding from a magazine and up a feed ramp so bullet setback is not a problem for them. Also they typically use neck sizing and turning to obtain consistent neck tension.

                      Like I said, purely a personal decision. But I have experienced bullet setback and what I consider excessive ES and SD numbers. Since starting to use the factory crimp die, I don't have setback issues and my ES & SD numbers have come down to more acceptable numbers for me.
                      Last edited by Mike D; 01-25-2013, 10:58 AM.

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                        #26
                        if this is for hunting i would load 3 each of 48,49,50,51 and 52 (if that is indeed the load listing)

                        I would shoot them at 100 yards from a bench with plenty of time between each shot to all ow the barrel to fully cool. Most guns will open up when they get hot.

                        Watch for pressure signs like flattened primers and esp sticky bolts and even worse blown primers. If you get them dont shoot the hotter loads.

                        just look for the most accurate load. once you have found the one that shoots best reload 5-10 and retest(to make sure the 3 were not a fluke).. You may have two loadings that shoot good to retest. If they all shoot good then go with the hotter loads if you like.

                        btw, Id take the accurate load over that hotter load any day.

                        I really see no need to load up by the .5 grain unless you are shooting a 1000 yard match gun.

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