Nagil - 300 Winchester Magnum

[hopedale]

Ok, didn't want to high jack, "Need some caliber help," so starting this thread. Not knowing the difference between a .270 and 7mm, I asked my older cousing. What I got back was, "me and David shoot 7 mag. You'll never lose a deer with a 7 mag." So I got a 7 mag. Kicks likes a mule, but it did make me to where I'm not recoil sensative.

I ended up selling my 7mag, and got a .270, however, I would like to get another 7mag. On most of the outfits that offer Nagil hunts they require a 300 winchester as the minumum caliber.

The 300 was Winchester's answer to Remington's 7mag. Both cartirdges are consider magnum calibers, but what I just don't understand is why do they only accecpt 300?

From the, "Need some caliber help," I get the diamaiter of the 7mag puts it in the 22 vs the 300 that puts it in the 30 bullet diamater. Is the 300 just a better bullet?

IMO, both are worthless rounds if you aren't albe to handle the recoil and shoot accurately.

[simek]

Good luck.

[32drawlength]

I’ve looked at this comparison before, the 300 WM has a little more speed, kinetic energy and recoil.
The 7 mag is a very respectable and comparable choice to the 300 WM

sounds like it’s a preference choice by the outfitter

[diamond10x]

.30 cal bullets as a whole are heavier than 7mm bullets.

There are a number of different types of construction for bullets, each different type is the same across the different calibers/diameters. Bullet construction type examples would be, bonded, cup & core, jacketed, jacketed hollow point, monolithic, ballistic tipped, etc.

The reason for having a .30 cal minimum is because on average, using your example of 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag, is going to have more kinetic energy and momentum which equates to further penetration, when comparing the same bullet construction because the 7mm doesn't have the case capacity required to push the lighter bullet at higher speeds to equal a 300.

Example- Comparable Rem Core-lokt ammo in each of the calibers:
7mm 175 gr at 2860 fps = 3177 ft/lb of energy
.30 180 gr at 2960 fps = 3501 ft/lb of energy

Most outfitters have the minimum requirements because the majority of shooters are just shooting factory ammo. Someone who reloads can load up a hot round with bonded bullets and it would make the 7mm do just about anything penetration wise a 300 can, but that is few and far between when it comes to most hunters the outfitters deal with.

[East_Texas]

The “Nagil” must be tough critters

[S-3 Ranch]

Is the 300 just a better bullet?

no it’s shot placement or bullet construction or sectional density, ( caliber + weight)
I have killed or seen them killed with heavy for caliber bullets in 270 win, 280win , 308 win , 30-06 , 303 British
and seen plenty run off with same caliber poor construction bullets or shot placement.
300wm 180gr is just a good measure to compensate for bad shooting ( seen more wounded nilgai with lacking construction or SD )

[Drycreek3189]

A 7mm is NOT “in the 22”. A .22 caliber is a 5.56 mm or a .223 or .222 diameter and the 7mm is a .280 diameter. A .300 Win mag is a substantial step up from a 7mm mag. Personally, I have not seen the need for the array of calibers and cartridges we have. I get the “want”, but not the “need”. Most of it driven by the “need” to sell folks on the caliber de jour so the gun industry can sell more guns. I get that too, it’s still America…..unless Slow Joe get re-elected.

[Bucknaked]

Stop all of this nonsense! Get the 300 WM and don’t look back ! If I didn’t own either caliber I would go with the .300 WM because why not ? If you opted for the Nilgai instead I bet they would let you use the 7

[Playa]

The “Nagil” must be tough critters

😂

[Bill]

Here in Montana, the 300 Win Mag is a definite step above the 7 Rem Mag in terms of distance and killing elk with a single shot. But it comes at a price. I shoot a Tikka T3 Hunter chambered in 7mm Rem Mag. Before I took the first shot I replaced the factory butt plate with a Sims AirTech pad and there is zero recoil 'pain'. I've shot 40 rounds at one time in a t shirt without bruising.The muzzle does raise like you're shooting a magnum round and it takes a couple seconds for me to get back on target with the scope.

I hope that helps. Try an AirTech.

[El General]

Is the 300 just a better bullet?

no it’s shot placement or bullet construction or sectional density, ( caliber + weight)
I have killed or seen them killed with heavy for caliber bullets in 270 win, 280win , 308 win , 30-06 , 303 British
and seen plenty run off with same caliber poor construction bullets or shot placement.
300wm 180gr is just a good measure to compensate for bad shooting ( seen more wounded nilgai with lacking construction or SD )

There isn’t a better or worse among calibers. There is a better or worse in bullet construction based on the target game. You can get all the same bullet constructions in 7mm and .30

[Greenheadless]

There isn’t a better or worse among calibers. There is a better or worse in bullet construction based on the target game. You can get all the same bullet constructions in 7mm and .30

What bullet construction is needed for nagil’s?

[El General]

What bullet construction is needed for nagil’s?

Mythical.

[Lincoln Hawk]

When I was a teen, my uncle Nagil touched me inappropriately. Was not fun. 30 cal for sure.

[PondPopper]

Listen to the outfitter. There is a reason many require this.
Coming on here and asking advice like this is comparable to asking a bar full of broke fellas, who have never had money, for financial advice.
Thanks to HeyMikey I now have 4 7mags but when I go hunt my bull this winter, I am taking my 300 RUM and a 210 gr projectile.