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Originally posted by sboudreaux View Post
Mine is pretty close to that with the right ammo. I have a sig that shoots pretty good as well but the Larue is definitely more accurate as it should be in my opinion. I thought years ago that AR's could never shoot anywhere near as good as bolt guns, Larue has changed my mind a little but my APR .260 is the most accurate gun I own, but I do not own that many. To the OP's question I would want to be in the 1.5 MOA range personally.
All my other ones are safe queens now.
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I was surprised how accurate my 6.5 Gren is that I bought three years ago. It’s just as accurate as my Ruger 77 bolt in 7mm mag.
but a lot more fun to shot.
it’s amazing the accuracy it can give when you look at how they are put together.
A custom dialed in bolt is always going to give you the most accuracy with all things being equal but a good barrel AR is quite surprising to me.
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I’ve got a budget $550ish dollar 300blk build that will shoot sub MOA and my Rock River 223 will shoot sub MOA. Buddy has one he built that will do about 1.25” on a good day. Another buddy has a PSA AR-10 that will shoot 1-1.25” at 100. They vary. People put fancy gizmos on them but then go and buy a cheap barrel and wonder why it won’t shoot a decent group. I have never had a scope on my nicer build, but with the red dot(3moa dot) I can keep all my shots inside about 2-2.5” at 100yds, if I had to guess with a good scope it will be closer to that .5-.75MOA group at 100 with my ammo.
For what most ARs are used for, 1.5” at 100 is plenty accurate. If you want it to be a tack driver you need quality components, a little tuning(adjustable gas block for sure) and good ammo that the rifle likes.
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I'd venture to say that most folks aren't putting optics on their rifles that allow a true test of accuracy for that platform so it might be a bit of a apples to oranges comparison if you are putting a 10.5" with a eotech up against a heavy bolt action .223 with a variable power optics. If you are holding 1.5" with a red dot and factory trigger at 100y thats well done.
That said; I've had 3 different daniel defense ARs and I moved the exact same optic (Aimpoint T2 on scalarworks) between all 3... the unsuppressed 16" version shot noticeably tighter than the 10.5" (suppressed)-- still plenty of variables to account for. I have a 16" noveske that is an absolute tack driver but even with a NF 1-8 FFP the center dot is still 1.25MOA which is a constraint. I also know with that rifle I can ring headshots on ipsc steel to 400 yards with no issues with that optic.
One of the most accurate rifles I've ever shot was a PSA AR10 6.5cm-- my buddy and I each bought them on a sale, slapped a Primary Arms 3-18x on it-- it ran under .5" 3 shot groups at 100y with 130gr ELDMs... and for $1000 invested we could hammer MOA steel out to 800 (which really was limited by the glass and not the gun).
For a magnified optic on a quality AR10 I would want to be under 1" at 100 with factory ammo and tighten that up more with reloads and fine tuning the rifle.
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Originally posted by duckhunter175 View PostI'd venture to say that most folks aren't putting optics on their rifles that allow a true test of accuracy for that platform so it might be a bit of a apples to oranges comparison if you are putting a 10.5" with a eotech up against a heavy bolt action .223 with a variable power optics. If you are holding 1.5" with a red dot and factory trigger at 100y thats well done.
That said; I've had 3 different daniel defense ARs and I moved the exact same optic (Aimpoint T2 on scalarworks) between all 3... the unsuppressed 16" version shot noticeably tighter than the 10.5" (suppressed)-- still plenty of variables to account for. I have a 16" noveske that is an absolute tack driver but even with a NF 1-8 FFP the center dot is still 1.25MOA which is a constraint. I also know with that rifle I can ring headshots on ipsc steel to 400 yards with no issues with that optic.
One of the most accurate rifles I've ever shot was a PSA AR10 6.5cm-- my buddy and I each bought them on a sale, slapped a Primary Arms 3-18x on it-- it ran under .5" 3 shot groups at 100y with 130gr ELDMs... and for $1000 invested we could hammer MOA steel out to 800 (which really was limited by the glass and not the gun).
For a magnified optic on a quality AR10 I would want to be under 1" at 100 with factory ammo and tighten that up more with reloads and fine tuning the rifle.
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