With an AR platform? By what's acceptable I mean what's acceptable to you? I have seen very few that could shoot less than a 1" group. Which ain't bad but I think that's why I'll reach for a bolt gun 95% of the time depending on what I'm doing. If I'm shootin hogs that's different. But for prairie dogs or even coyotes I'd say I'd take just about any bolt action over your average AR.
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I have a Remington VTR15 .223 that will shoot less than an inch in a vise. My AR10 .308 will shoot right at an inch. I am happy with 1 -1.5" in the AR platform. -
Depends on the gun of course but Ar's are not noted for pinpoint accuracy. They can be built to perform amazingly though, depending if you want the accuracy or not. My Grendel, for instance is under 1" with most Hornaday ammo but is built with a premium barrel, handguard and trigger. While my .223 is 1.5" at best with almost any commercial ammo but built with mixed, bargain shelf parts. The Grendel cost 3 times as much to build as the .223.Last edited by locolobo; 01-25-2024, 05:59 PM.Comment
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I think a big part of it is I've been a bolt gun shooter all my life. I bought an AR back in about 2008 but that's just because Democrats don't like 'em. And I love doing what they don't like. So aside from that I never really had my interest in an AR platform until I started shootin hogs. I have seen some very accurate AR's that could keep up with just about any bolt gun but I just never really had much interest in them until lately with them being so readily available and oddly enough, cheaper than a decent bolt gun in most cases.Comment
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Kind of a loaded question. The AR platform covers a huge spectrum of guns, different cartridges, etc. You might want to narrow it down.
For a 16 inch carbine with open sights shooting factory M193 I'm fine with 3 - 4 MOA. For a 18 inch custom build with a decent barrel and aftermarket trigger in 6.5 Grendel and handloaded ammo my expectations are completely different.
Normally I'll grab one of my AR's before anything else simply because its the platform I'm most proficient and comfortable with.Last edited by andre3k; 01-25-2024, 06:05 PM.Comment
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Agreed, my brother had a 6.8 SPC with a Yankee Hill upper on it that we shot the brass on empty shotgun shells at 100 yards with. We were trying to shoot the primers out of them. Never got it done but we were hitting them. They can definitely be super accurate.Originally posted by locolobo View PostComment
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True. I guess I just meant your run of the mill AR-15 or AR-10. Seems like for the same amount of money you can get a "budget" bolt gun and out shoot any of them just about.Originally posted by andre3k View PostComment
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I would say 2-4 moa is average. Can some AR's shoot tighter groups? Yes. Are most AR's consistent 1 moa guns? No. Most budget bolt guns can't consistently shoot 1 moa. Sometimes, yes. Consistently, no.Originally posted by okrattler View PostComment
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I’m good with a 1.5 inch ar. But I don’t spend $3000 on the ones I own. If I spent that I’d expect .75.Comment
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I'll probably spend a little more on the next upper I get but I definitely won't even have a thousand dollars in the entire rifle. The barrel and trigger is most likely where I'll spend the most money. That's probably a lot of the reason why I haven't shot real great groups with an AR too. I just ain't a two stage trigger guy which a lot of the ones I've shot had. Mil-Spec is even worse for me. I'm a single stage 2.5 pound trigger guy myself.
I have a BTE 2.5 single stage in one of my AR's and I love it. That trigger is awesome.Last edited by okrattler; 01-25-2024, 06:21 PM.Comment
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Mine in 5.56 will put a full mag into 2" spread @ 100 with a red dot Buckmark holographic $50 sight. I don't consider an AR as a long range platform and I been shooting them a long time starting with the M16 in 1967. Good enough for hog killing I guess.Comment
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I’m in the 1.5” at 100 is good group. Both of my 6.8s will beat that. One has a cheap AR Stoner barrel and the other an ARP barrel. Both were rebarreled .223/5.56s. They are all minute of hog !Comment
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My go-to rifles for hunting accuracy today are my AR15-6.8SPCII from ARPerformance. It's a 16" premium barrel and bcg and consistently shoot .375 5 shot groups at 100 yards.
My other one is an Armalite AR10-T that will do .5" at 100 yards consistently. I shoot Hornady premium or superformance rounds in both of them. I too grew up on bolt guns, still have 'em, but they are all safe queens now... Another big factor for me is that I do all my deer hunting with a bow, but I take a gun with me to the stand if I'm stand hunting. The AR platform lends itself much better for that.
Killed a bunch of yotes with both while deer hunting because I had them with me in the stand. Only deer I've shot have been does to catch up with our harvest requirements for our MLD program, and they've all been head shots... Well, I did put a finishing shot on a buck several years ago that I'd liver shot with my bow... He ran off, but not out of sight... Couldn't get another arrow in him... When he laid down, I stuck a .223 right under his ear... I don't like draggin' 'em out the brush if I don't have to.
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I honestly have 3-4 that shoot sub moa. My expectations are minimum sub 1” groups for just about anything. I tend to take all head or neck shots so i really need them to be accurate.
I should note I also hand load for them all.Comment
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I’ve got a Larue upper in 223 that literally shoots 1/2” groupsComment
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