AR/Tacticool Thread of Awesome! (AR Info here!)

[mesquitecountry]

And your chart there proves my point. Like always, it comes down to ammo selection.

The Hornady 75 grain OTM is my choice for home defense with a carbine. M855/SS109 is a poor choice due to overpenetration.

If I ever build a 5.56 SBR that would be the only rounds I run in it.

[Artos]

If I ever build a 5.56 SBR that would be the only rounds I run in it.

the fact you do not already have one is shameful...

[mesquitecountry]

I love the idea behind the blackout but, with ammo in short supply I am in no way inclined to build one right now. I much prefer NATO round weapons. A gun without ammo is just an expensive stick.

[Artos]

I love the idea behind the blackout but, with ammo in short supply I am in no way inclined to build one right now. I much prefer NATO round weapons. A gun without ammo is just an expensive stick.

you really need to start reloading...No way am I buying factory 6.8

i shoot 75 gr Hornady hollow point match in my sbr

[mesquitecountry]

the fact you do not already have one is shameful...

Ha. I like sbr's that entire 5.56 rounds slide down the barrel. I'll buy a 300 bo or 762x39 sbr before a 5.56. May just do ak sbr's.

[imyomama]

I'd kinda have to disagree with you there Travis. Truth is handguns and their chamberings are pretty poor self defense choices, they can just be stuffed into a convenient sized package to carry. The survival rate from gunshot wounds from handguns is surprisingly high. A 5.56 with the right load is a nasty round for CQB.

If your gonna carry a rifle, at least carry a rifle cartridge.

Clint Smith (or one of those self defense guys that do it for a living) is of the mindset that you use your pistol to fight your way to your shotgun to fight your way to your rifle.

I see a double standard here .. the right handgun with the right ammunition and it's lights out !! I don't know too many people that can take a 44 mag in the chest at lunch and go out to diner the same evening .. many 556/223 loads don't cut the mustard either only a few do... take a colt 9mm carbine supressed or an mp5 and you have just as much fire power , with much less report , more expansion and a bigger wound channel than a run of the mill 10.5 inch 223 ...with ball or surplus ammo

have you ever seen the FBI's 10mm mp5's in action ? it's not pretty on the receiving end...

[imyomama]

Ha. I like sbr's that entire 5.56 rounds slide down the barrel. I'll buy a 300 bo or 762x39 sbr before a 5.56. May just do ak sbr's.

since I built my 300 blackout , I don't hardly shoot anything else .. I can shoot the 220's or 125's in the same gun , it's quiet , and so far it's brought home the bacon !

I'm,not sure what it sounds like unsuppressed ... i've never tried with the can off ... and frankly I don't see why I would want to ...

ammo from different manufacturers is in the works .. remington and a few reloading outfits already offer it .. and if you reload , there's a ton of possibilities in 30 cal including some people working on subsonic expanding bullets ... so you're getting 357 mag power in terms of energy , but you can shoot all day with your wife next to you and your dog on your lap.. no ear plugs required .. (around 125 db- subs ).

[Tommyh]

Mmmmmmm really want...


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1FIs0FDmFQ"]YouTube - 300 Whisper / 300 Blackout / 300 Fireball brass being made from .223 brass.[/ame]

[Mike D]

I see a double standard here .. the right handgun with the right ammunition and it's lights out !! I don't know too many people that can take a 44 mag in the chest at lunch and go out to diner the same evening .. many 556/223 loads don't cut the mustard either only a few do... take a colt 9mm carbine supressed or an mp5 and you have just as much fire power , with much less report , more expansion and a bigger wound channel than a run of the mill 10.5 inch 223 ...with ball or surplus ammo

have you ever seen the FBI's 10mm mp5's in action ? it's not pretty on the receiving end...

Well, I know very few people who use a 44 mag for defense purposes, but we are getting off track with that.

No I haven't seen a 10mm MP5 in action but I am a big 10mm fan, I own 3 of them at the moment. I have considered buying one of the Olympic uppers (I know, I know) and having it made into an SBR. That would be wicked in a 10.5" barrel SBR I would imagine.

[imyomama]

Well, I know very few people who use a 44 mag for defense purposes, but we are getting off track with that.

No I haven't seen a 10mm MP5 in action but I am a big 10mm fan, I own 3 of them at the moment. I have considered buying one of the Olympic uppers (I know, I know) and having it made into an SBR. That would be wicked in a 10.5" barrel SBR I would imagine.

agreed .. than again I know very few people that use a suppressed 556 SBR as their "house gun " as well..

I know a smith currently working on a 9mm and 10mm gas operated upper ... basically making it much more gentle than a conventional blow back system.. he had a working prototype in 9mm .. the gas tube is only 3" long . if he can make it 100% reliable , this should be a pretty nice breakthrough for pistol caliber SBR ar platform ...

[Tommyh]

now if we could get pointy 10mm bullets to run in those 10mm uppers.

[Mike D]

agreed .. than again I know very few people that use a suppressed 556 SBR as their "house gun " as well..

I know a smith currently working on a 9mm and 10mm gas operated upper ... basically making it much more gentle than a conventional blow back system.. he had a working prototype in 9mm .. the gas tube is only 3" long . if he can make it 100% reliable , this should be a pretty nice breakthrough for pistol caliber SBR ar platform ...

Touche'

I haven't shot a pistol calibered upper yet. Is the recoil impulse that bad on a suppressed pistol caliber?

now if we could get pointy 10mm bullets to run in those 10mm uppers.

Pointy 10mm bullets?

[imyomama]

Touche'

I haven't shot a pistol calibered upper yet. Is the recoil impulse that bad on a suppressed pistol caliber?



Pointy 10mm bullets?

yeah .. blowback uppers are hard on lowers.. run it on a m16 lower and you could even get your pin holes to hollow out ... and that's just 9mm ... 10 is worse.. the blowback bolts are so much heavier , it's hard on everything , hammers , bolt stops , etc...

that's why he's trying to develop a gas operated bolt .. much easier on the hardware... (he may actually go piston ... I think he's tried both ways ..)
either way , he'd be using a 223 style BCG ... not blow back ...

pointy 10mm ? nonsense!! big fat hollow point is where it's at .. the point is a big hole and fast expanding bullet .. not punching a pin hole

[Tommyh]

Touche'

I haven't shot a pistol calibered upper yet. Is the recoil impulse that bad on a suppressed pistol caliber?



Pointy 10mm bullets?

better trajectory for less resistance at higher velocities out of longer barrels man. better down range impact!

[Dale Moser]

Nerds, all of ya!




















I want one.......

I stand behind my original statement.