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Originally posted by jb5001 View PostThen what's the reason for shooting spikes?
I wish they'd just make it 1 buck and scrap the spike deal. That's my beef with the antler restriction program.
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Originally posted by IkemanTX View PostWhat is more likely the case is that hunters who are highly concerned with management practices are more likely to make improvements on food availability, buck/doe ratios, and overall age structures within the herd (all of which ARE in a manager’s control) which in Turn improves the overall antler quality of the bucks observed. These much larger contributions to herd health often get overlooked as the reason for improvement, and credit is unduly given to “cull” programs.
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Originally posted by MagicBlade View PostMost of the bucks on our lease are under 13" even older bucks.
Although a lot are young, the question came up this last week as to what is the purpose of the Antler Restriction rule.
Is it to improve quantity or quality of the deer herd?
If an older deer is under 13" and continues to breed, won't the genetics continue to be under 13"??????
The 13" rule is a proxy for age. Is it perfect? No. Is it very good? Yes. Sure, there are mature deer that don't go and won't ever go 13", but they are few and far between. Most people who claim to be overrun with these deer really don't know how to age deer or are only now seeing 2.5 and 3.5 year old deer due to antler restrictions.
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Originally posted by jb5001 View PostThen what's the reason for shooting spikes?Originally posted by Etxbuckman View PostConcession to landowner's to make AR's an easier sell,
Originally posted by LWD View PostMost people who claim to be overrun with these deer really don't know how to age deer or are only now seeing 2.5 and 3.5 year old deer due to antler restrictions.
LWDLast edited by bossbowman; 12-13-2017, 10:02 PM.
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Originally posted by etxbuckman View Postconcession to landowner's to make ar's an easier sell, even though shooting spikes is generally stupid and the ar's were needed anyway.
I wish they'd just make it 1 buck and scrap the spike deal. That's my beef with the antler restriction program.
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Originally posted by dustoffer View PostThe quality of the bucks here in Guadalupe County has gone up substantially on the place I hunt since ARs were enacted. What used to be a parade of spikes and little cabbage racks is no more--
Everyone has a different definition of what a mature deer is and/or can't age deer well. I have family that believes a 2 or 3 year old is mature. This is because where they hunt anything with antlers was always shot. Now they complain that their mature deer don't meet restrictions. They send me pics and I tell the deer they are sending a 2 or 3. Not saying this is the case here. Just saying.
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Originally posted by Etxbuckman View PostI've always been perplexed by the meat hunters who admit to gladly passing a doe and happily shoot a young buck.
A lot of guys I know would rather shoot an ugly mature buck than a younger one with a better rack. Personally I'm glad it's just one buck 13"+ that's allowed. Otherwise you'd have too many guys taking liberties with deer they ought not to.
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Originally posted by Ruttin&Struttin View PostGive me an old ugly bruiser every time.
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Originally posted by stinkbelly View PostMy son and the neighbors shot all the legal bucks this year in our area. I have been watching older narrow bucks chase and breed does lately. Hopefully some of the does got bred before the wide bucks were shot.
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Originally posted by DCT View PostThis is the problem I'm seeing in my area. If it makes 13" it gets dropped. While we have a problem with bad genetics of TALL narrow racks. With anything that is 13" or wide is being shot this leaves only the narrow rack genetics bucks to bread. I'm on the stand now and just watched a big 7pt that needs to be taken out but he's about 12 1/2 ". This is just my opinion but here in the piney woods wear I hunt it is thick. I think the deer have adapted to this and are growing taller. Many years ago before the AR law my dad shot a 13pt off of one of my stands that was 12 3/4" inside. The dog catcher's where 13" long one of the tallest rack I have seen. He was aged at 6 1/2 years old. Today it wouldn't be a legal deer.
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