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The heavy is better crowd usually state how the heavy arrow slows down less. Even though my 450 grain arrow is still faster at 60 yards than there 650 grain arrow is at 10. This horse has been beat to death. If people would work on their shot placement with a sharp, moderate cut broadhead they wouldn't have an issue..
I'm not building an arrow because I'm worried about a inch and a quarter wide leg bone.
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Originally posted by enewman View PostHeavy will always out penetrate. Where you start looking at it is trajectory.
Now I'm not hunting with a 361gr arrow, but that arrow had more than enough KE at 50 yards to kill deer or elk.
I am hunting with the 461gr arrow.
I've seen and read many of your takes and responses regarding FOC, ASHBY, etc...
Nice to see you somewhere right in the middle in terms of arrow weight...
I would like to know the specifics of your setup if you wouldn't mind sharing??
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Originally posted by TXPublic54 View PostVery Interesting to see where you stand for your personal arrow setup.
I've seen and read many of your takes and responses regarding FOC, ASHBY, etc...
Nice to see you somewhere right in the middle in terms of arrow weight...
I would like to know the specifics of your setup if you wouldn't mind sharing??
My setup this year is the bow is the PSe xpedite at 65lbs. high let of mod set at 80%. draw length is 26.5"
Arrow being used is a deer crossing hunter .246ID. I'm using factory insert and nock. 200gr combat veteran broadhead. fletchings are Techvane matrix 2.25 set at 2degree offset.
I have been moving forward on my thought process over the last year or so. my post are changing from a year ago. Not that I think heavy is wrong. I do think we need to look at things before we just jump into a 650gr arrow to be hunting whitetail deer.
Thank you
Eric newmanLast edited by enewman; 10-06-2021, 03:50 PM.
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Originally posted by jds247 View PostThe heavy is better crowd usually state how the heavy arrow slows down less. Even though my 450 grain arrow is still faster at 60 yards than there 650 grain arrow is at 10. This horse has been beat to death. If people would work on their shot placement with a sharp, moderate cut broadhead they wouldn't have an issue..
I'm not building an arrow because I'm worried about a inch and a quarter wide leg bone.
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Originally posted by Tom View PostI shoot well and have for a long time. My heavy setup is because of where I hunt and the environment. I only do what works for me. Heavy / High FOC flies better in the wind. Try it. the arrow path drop and all that drama is somewhat humorous to me. the drop difference out to 50 yards between 450 & 650gr is probably smaller than the shot repeatability of 90% of people on TBH.
You are correct about shooting what works for you.. I've hunted all over and never had an issue with wind or animal size with 450 grains that a 650 grain arrow would have solved.
I wasn't talking about you in my original post BTW. I was making a general statement about what I read from the ranch fairy crowd .
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Originally posted by jds247 View PostI've been there and back. Shot up to 700 grains. I'LL gladly shoot 3d to 100 yards with you .. I've killed everything from ELK to 300 lb hogs with the 450 grain arrow.. shot an axis at 60 yards 2 years ago . Pass through on that animal..
You are correct about shooting what works for you.. I've hunted all over and never had an issue with wind or animal size with 450 grains that a 650 grain arrow would have solved.
I wasn't talking about you in my original post BTW. I was making a general statement about what I read from the ranch fairy crowd .
no worries...I was not getting on you either just jumped on your post to respond. I have no doubt that 450 gr can kill most anything as I have done it. My issue is when people say "you don't need that" well that is subjective. I don't care what does the trick I care what I know works for me in a particular environment. anyway....Good luck its hunting season!
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Originally posted by enewman View PostHeavy will always out penetrate. Where you start looking at it is trajectory.
Now I'm not hunting with a 361gr arrow, but that arrow had more than enough KE at 50 yards to kill deer or elk.
I am hunting with the 461gr arrow.Last edited by Tom; 10-06-2021, 10:50 PM.
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Originally posted by Tom View Postk
no worries...I was not getting on you either just jumped on your post to respond. I have no doubt that 450 gr can kill most anything as I have done it. My issue is when people say "you don't need that" well that is subjective. I don't care what does the trick I care what I know works for me in a particular environment. anyway....Good luck its hunting season!
My season starts Friday because I was stuck at work .. good luck to you too ..
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Originally posted by Tom View PostEric - so, what is the difference in time to the target of a 461gr arrow and 650gr arrow out of the same bow at normal whitetail range say 12-35 yards measured in milliseconds? What is the difference in drop across those ranges? I am not asking you to conduct an experiment or anything because you speak about the truth of physics, which I agree in, so you know the answer. I just want to see you post it. Some people think they are going to be lobbing a softball out to their feeder with an extra 150gr or so and we both know that that is probably not the truth of physics portrayed in these cases. just post it....school us up. And for the record I am not saying anything heavier than 350gr is required to kill a whitetail with a bow.Attached Files
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Great work Eric! .088 seconds different impact time at 40 yards by adding 200 gr is pretty good.
as far as trajectory you need to look at a 2-3 yard ranging error between each weight arrow across the range that you will hunt. I believe you will have maybe a 1" difference between the 2 at 35 yards. The belief that with that heavier arrow if I make a 1 yard mistake in my range I will miss the target is not backed up by the facts. In fact, I believe that the delta in error is tighter than most bowhunters repeatability shot to shot.
I like how you have this data....thanks
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Originally posted by Tom View PostGreat work Eric! .088 seconds different impact time at 40 yards by adding 200 gr is pretty good.
as far as trajectory you need to look at a 2-3 yard ranging error between each weight arrow across the range that you will hunt. I believe you will have maybe a 1" difference between the 2 at 35 yards. The belief that with that heavier arrow if I make a 1 yard mistake in my range I will miss the target is not backed up by the facts. In fact, I believe that the delta in error is tighter than most bowhunters repeatability shot to shot.
I like how you have this data....thanks
Thanks for the kind words.
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