Help Me Pick The Right Arrow

[jooger17]

After playing with all the latest and greatest bows over the last few years I found myself back with the Hoyt Carbon Element. I had one in 2012 and I really don't know why I ever got rid of it. There's bows out there that are faster, deader in the hand, blah blah blah; the reality is though I could flat out shoot the CE.

Bow specs:
30" draw
~70# (I haven't put it on a scale yet)
QAD HDX rest
I will be shooting 100gr Slick Trick Mags

What I'm looking for is a quiet accurate arrow. Forever I shot Easton Axis Carbon N Fused 340's but when I stoped at a bow shop that had people that knew what they where talking about, I was told I needed 300 spine arrows or back the wt down to 66lbs. They didn't have any 300's so we opted to back it off. I prefer to have my limbs maxed out. It may not make a difference but in my mind there's less vibration and less room for anything to move unintentionally.

I'm not an equipment guru and I don't know what makes one arrow better than the next. I'm hoping for a discussion on what spine and weight arrow I need to get the best performance at 70+lbs and a 30" draw and this particular cam system with a fixed blade head. Any insight will be appreciated.

[Pushbutton2]

Help Me Pick The Right Arrow

I shoot a Strother Moxie set at 68# with a 31.5" draw.
My current arrows are 340 spine. But I'm building a High FOC Arrow. I've added an extra 50 grains behind the insert.
I've built one in a 300 spine. It has the 50 grains behind the insert, and I've added a 125 grain tip to it.
I have yet to shoot it. I'm also contemplating building an arrow with a 250 spine and a 100 grain insert and possibly a 200 grain head.

What does this mean for you?
Shoot different arrows and see which shoots best out of your bow.
I'd personally shoot a 300 spine.
Muddyfuzzy is a TBH member and an arrow builder. Contact him, he'll get you squared away.
He's building my next group of arrows.
He's recommended me 3 different builds. I have yet to decide which one I want..

Here's a link to a thread about building Arrows with above average FOC

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=491686

[enewman]

I'm with push contact muddy. I've done a lot of testing on arrows lately. One thing I'm seeing is there is a differnce. In the way an arrow flys by how good it is. There is nothing wrong with .006 arrows. They will be harder to tune then .003 or even better .001. Shooting at say 20 up to 30 yards the .006 will be fine. If your going to shoot at longer ranges then the you will need .003 minimum. Other then that you just need to decide what tip weight. Then total arrow weight and calculate from there to find what grain per inch of arrow you want and find that arrow. If your not worried about high Foc. The fmj is a good arrow. If your wanting a higher foc. Then look at the blackeagles. This seems to be a great arrow from what I'm seeing.

[muddyfuzzy]

Help Me Pick The Right Arrow

After playing with all the latest and greatest bows over the last few years I found myself back with the Hoyt Carbon Element. I had one in 2012 and I really don't know why I ever got rid of it. There's bows out there that are faster, deader in the hand, blah blah blah; the reality is though I could flat out shoot the CE.

Bow specs:
30" draw
~70# (I haven't put it on a scale yet)
QAD HDX rest
I will be shooting 100gr Slick Trick Mags

What I'm looking for is a quiet accurate arrow. Forever I shot Easton Axis Carbon N Fused 340's but when I stoped at a bow shop that had people that knew what they where talking about, I was told I needed 300 spine arrows or back the wt down to 66lbs. They didn't have any 300's so we opted to back it off. I prefer to have my limbs maxed out. It may not make a difference but in my mind there's less vibration and less room for anything to move unintentionally.

I'm not an equipment guru and I don't know what makes one arrow better than the next. I'm hoping for a discussion on what spine and weight arrow I need to get the best performance at 70+lbs and a 30" draw and this particular cam system with a fixed blade head. Any insight will be appreciated.

I've done a couple of different set ups for archers with similar specs as yourself. Depending on what you are wanting performance wise you could go with a 300 or 250. A 300 spine build will be a little more classic in terms of weight, FOC and make good speed at your draw length and weight. A 250 shaft will really start to open things up and you would be looking at a 500 grain arrow with around 16-17% FOC. Personally, I would opt for the 250 set-up since your above average draw length will keep your speed up, it would be like shooting an animal with a piece of rebar plus take some noise and vibration out of the shot.

Either way you need to be in at least a 300 if you plan on shooting your bow at peak weight.

[jooger17]

Thanks for the discussion guys. Muddy, what shafts are out there in 250? I saw some Carbon Express Reds but CE seems to have a different spine system all the way around. 250's could clearly be under spined for my set up According to their charts. Another arrow question... I read somewhere that when you cut the shaft, rather than cut all of the length from one end, you should cut it 50/50 from the front and back. So if the shaft is 30" and my arrow is gonna be 27", you'd cut 1.5" from the front and 1.5" from the back. Anything to that?

[RevMS]

The CE arrows aren't on the same scale as other brands. In fact the 250 is a more flexible shaft than the 350 ... totally different scale, not comparable number for number.

http://www.huntersfriend.com/carbon_arrows/hunting_arrows_spine_chart_by_deflection.htm

[jooger17]

The CE arrows aren't on the same scale as other brands. In fact the 250 is a more flexible shaft than the 350 ... totally different scale, not comparable number for number.

http://www.huntersfriend.com/carbon_...deflection.htm

I noticed that. Leaves me to wonder about the shaft that is supposedly good from ~45lbs - 80lbs at my draw length. Doesn't seem like the best fit.

[hoyt21]

I say black eagle carnivores 250 spine. You won't be disappointed

[Mexico]

How about a straight one?? .... Hi Steve!

[jooger17]

How about a straight one?? .... Hi Steve!

No dice. I can't shoot around corners with straight ones. They've gotta be crookerds

[muddyfuzzy]

The black eagle carnivore is a great 250 spine arrow for a long draw shooter. You can cut it long, load it up and still get a respectable gross arrow weight . Cutting from both ends typically is a good practice. You could have a really nice arrow that would easily kill anything in North America with your set up in a 250.

[topher5999]

Not sure what kind of weight you looking for but I shoot the exact same bow specs as you but I shoot an Elite E32 and I shoot the Black Eagle Deep impact's 300. I also shoot a 125gr head. I am not looking for speed I want to know that if I hit that off shoulder it is gonna go thru. My arrows weigh in at ballpark 575gr's. I did shoot the Carbon express pass thru extreme's but the highest spine they come in is the 350 and I was right on the line of needing a stiffer spine. Muddy on my setup do I need to go to the 250 as well? Sorry if I am highjacking.

[muddyfuzzy]

Nope, you are fine. The Deep Impact is a great arrow, the price scares some folks away but they really fly/penetrate well. The only draw back is the have a high GPI which isn't conducive to building a lot of FOC with moderate/average tip weight. That being said at 500+ grains you are shooting straight fire.

[topher5999]

sweet thanks Muddy, sorry jooger did not mean to hijack

[topher5999]

By the way I shoot a 30" arrow so with the outsert it is right at 31" in length.