single bevel head woes!!!!!!!!

[muddyfuzzy]

some of you may remember i have been promoting the Red Feather Archery Razor Hawk as my head of choice this year. These heads are top notch, fly very well and penetrate like nobody's business. about a month ago i arrow'd a hog which produced zero blood to trail, i chalked it up to a bad shot and got past it. that particular shot yielded complete pass through with the arrow 8" in the ground.

on saturday nite i arrow'd another sow about 80#'s with the razor hawk. again; much to my dismay, the second attempt yielded zero blood to trail. i went back sunday morning to top off the feeder and as i approched saw the sow laying between to brush piles stiff as a nail, she ran about 35-40 yds. the attached photo shows the entrance hole which seems a little high but the shot was taken from 20' up so the off side exit was about 3" below the entrance. the shot blew out both lungs and was an effective kill shot. when i examined the swine there was no pooling blood where she expired.

my conclusion is that while the single bevel two-blade design cuts very well it can leave a lack luster (in my case zero) blood to trial. i'm really glad i got to see this prior to the season opener and will be switching back to the 125 grain slick trick mags.

it's really a shame but i simply can't deal with those type of results. figured i'd pass this along.

[hogdaddy]

hard to make pigs bleed.

[muddyfuzzy]

man i've shot several with the nap spitfire and it looked like a homocide scene! I hear what you are saying though. i'm really disappointed in the lack of blood trail from the rfa but it is what it is i guess.

[Larry]

hard to make pigs bleed.

Especially on any high hit like that. It may not appear to be too high, as you obviously hit both lungs. But I've hit hogs in that spot that didn't bleed much outside of their body. If you want blood trails, hit them lower and watch the river flow. As Middleton once said, a good shot on a hog is one that you think you might have missed low.

[TxAg]

No offense, but are you sure you have em sharp...like really sharp!

[muddyfuzzy]

No offense, but are you sure you have em sharp...like really sharp!

really sharp, like shaving sharp? yes sir, i always strop them and touch them up even if they have just been in the quiver before a hunt.

[BURTONboy]

Sucks to hear that they aren't leaving any blood. I would like to see what happens if you shoot a coyote or a deer even with them (although I don't blame you for not having any confidence in their blood trail, thus not wanting to shoot a deer), but i'm just wondering if they might bleed better then a pig according to past discussion.... Maybe they are just like the G5 Montecs, in that they cut through like butter, but leave hardly any blood. Even on a deer.

[TxAg]

really sharp, like shaving sharp? yes sir, i always strop them and touch them up even if they have just been in the quiver before a hunt.

I'm trying single bevels this year (grizzlies) and have been able to get them sharper than any other head or knife I've come across. I've seen lots and lots of threads on other sites with guys having fountains of blood. I'll report back once I've made a few kills.

[muddyfuzzy]

I'm trying single bevels this year (grizzlies) and have been able to get them sharper than any other head or knife I've come across. I've seen lots and lots of threads on other sites with guys having fountains of blood. I'll report back once I've made a few kills.

look forward to the feedback man, best of luck to you.

[JW]

some of you may remember i have been promoting the Red Feather Archery Razor Hawk as my head of choice this year. These heads are top notch, fly very well and penetrate like nobody's business. about a month ago i arrow'd a hog which produced zero blood to trail, i chalked it up to a bad shot and got past it. that particular shot yielded complete pass through with the arrow 8" in the ground.

on saturday nite i arrow'd another sow about 80#'s with the razor hawk. again; much to my dismay, the second attempt yielded zero blood to trail. i went back sunday morning to top off the feeder and as i approched saw the sow laying between to brush piles stiff as a nail, she ran about 35-40 yds. the attached photo shows the entrance hole which seems a little high but the shot was taken from 20' up so the off side exit was about 3" below the entrance. the shot blew out both lungs and was an effective kill shot. when i examined the swine there was no pooling blood where she expired.

my conclusion is that while the single bevel two-blade design cuts very well it can leave a lack luster (in my case zero) blood to trial. i'm really glad i got to see this prior to the season opener and will be switching back to the 125 grain slick trick mags.

it's really a shame but i simply can't deal with those type of results. figured i'd pass this along.

Seems you n i had this mechanical advantage duscussion and about, "bleeder blades". :thumbup:

[Mudslinger]

Here is my take on 2 blades. when you shoot an animal with a 2 blade head, there is just a spit on the entrance and exit no matter how long the slit is. With a 3 blade or 4 blade you have a different "cut" on the entrance or exit. A slit is a lot easier to "cover up" or "seal" just by movement of the skin and muscles when the animals runs. More so than a 3 or 4 blade hole. Think of it this way, when you tuck a perfect shot right behind the shoulder and low right thru the heart, it is very likely that with any head that when teh animals runs, the movement of the animals front legs and shoulders actually covers up the entrance and exit holes. Plus if an animal has a lot of fat, that can plug any broadhead hole fairly easy. The majority of people that complained about a blood trail when I owned my shop were from customers that shot 2 blade heads. I really do not put that much blame on the head, but more on the circumstances, shot placement, fat layers and animal. Heck i shot a cull 6 point last season at a whopping 10 yards and ahd the arrow pass thru with a 3 blade mechanical and had zero blood trail with a heart/lung shot. he only went 20 yards but no blood trail and very little on the ground where he dropped. Stayed pretty much all in his chest cavity.

[BBReezen]

hard to make pigs bleed.

I agree, even with a gun.

[muddyfuzzy]

Seems you n i had this mechanical advantage duscussion and about, "bleeder blades". :thumbup:

yes, yes we did. I wasn't disappointed in the width of cut so much just the complete lack of blood on the deck. killed the hell out of it though.

[JW]

yes, yes we did. I wasn't disappointed in the width of cut so much just the complete lack of blood on the deck. killed the hell out of it though.

Bleeder bro. Bleeder.

[Mudslinger]

Look at what Ragin' said and what I said. A whole lot easier for a single slice to close over one with 3 or 4 different cuts from a single hole!