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    The Biden administration announced Tuesday it is withdrawing an emergency order mandating large employers vaccinate or regularly test their workers for COVID-19, but instead will be pushing for a permanent rule.The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) will formally withdraw the order on Wednesday, according to a draft of the memo to be published in the Federal Register. The agency is not dropping the rule entirely, however, planning to keep the order as a “proposed rule.” The original order would have impacted some 85 million Americans.“OSHA is withdrawing the November 5, 2021, emergency temporary standard (ETS) which was issued to protect unvaccinated employees of large employers (100 or more employees) from the risk of contracting COVID–19 by strongly encouraging vaccination,” the memo said. The agency continued to pressure companies to enact their own forced vaccination and testing policies.“Although OSHA is withdrawing the Vaccination and Testing ETS as an enforceable emergency temporary standard, OSHA is not withdrawing the ETS to the extent that it serves as a proposed rule under section 6(c)(3) of the Act, and this action does not affect the ETS’s status as a proposal under section 6(b) of the Act or otherwise affect the status of the notice-and-comment rulemaking commenced by the Vaccination and Testing ETS. See 29 U.S.C. 655(c)(3),” the memo said, signaling the agency’s intent to revise and remake the rule.“OSHA is evaluating the record and the evolving course of the pandemic. OSHA has made no determinations at this time about when or if it will finalize a Vaccination and Testing rule. The agency intends to work expeditiously to issue a final standard that will protect healthcare workers from COVID-19 hazards,” a spokesperson for the Labor Department added.The Supreme Court ruled on January 13 to stay President Joe Biden’s order at least until the Sixth Circuit, which was picked to consolidate numerous legal challenges to the rule from across the country, can reach a decision on the case. The Daily Wire filed the first lawsuit in the Sixth Circuit hours after the order was released on November 4 and appealed the case to the Supreme Court the next month following the Sixth Circuit’s decision to lift a stay on the OSHA order.“At question here isn’t whether or not the government has the right to enforce rules on its own employees. It’s whether or not unelected bureaucrats at OSHA have the right to coerce businesses into forcing PRIVATE employees to follow rules the government never had the right to impose in the first place,” Daily Wire CEO Jeremy Boreing said at the time. “At the end of the day, the government has the POWER to make us all comply, but they do not have the RIGHT to make us all comply. That’s why we must keep fighting.”After filing its lawsuit in November, The Daily Wire launched a petition against Biden’s order that gained over one million signatures before Christmas and continues to accept new signatures.The Supreme Court’s decision to hear oral arguments in the case was rare and emphasizes the sweeping impact Biden’s order could have if implemented. The last time the Supreme Court granted a motion to hear oral arguments over a stay was in 1970 in the case of Citizens to Preserve Overton Park v. Volpe. Sixth Circuit Chief Judge Jeffrey Sutton pointed out in a December dissent that the scope of Biden’s vaccine mandate is unprecedented in the history of the United States. Sutton wrote:It is one thing to tell a worker to don a mask at the start of a hazard-filled shift and doff it at the end. It is quite another to tell a worker to vaccinate on the basis of a risk that exists whether he is on the clock or off and that amounts to a medical procedure that cannot be removed at the end of the shift. Confirming the point, the Secretary of Labor has never imposed a vaccine mandate or for that matter a vaccinate-or-test mandate on American workers. The [Occupational Safety and Health Act] does not clearly give the Secretary power to regulate all health risks and all new health hazards, largely through off-site medical procedures, so long as the individual goes to work and may face the hazard in the course of the workday.This article has been updated to include a statement from the U.S. Labor Department.

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    It won’t matter, many companies will follow Carhartt’s lead and require it anyway, at least initially until they lose too many workers in this employee favorable job market. That buys congress enough time to pass legislation. SC won’t rule against private business requirements nor proper legislation. Their only real objection was osha wasn’t following proper protocol and overstepping it’s boundaries. The federal employee/contractor mandate is still in place, correct? That’s quite a bit of leverage already in the “private” sector

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      #3
      I heard sorta the opposite on the radio earlier... that they had "formally withdrawn Biden's vaccine mandate."


      What I don't get is, they've been firing thousands of people aver this BS while they sat on their hands... now they're just gonna change their minds?


      Edit: ok, seems they are actually doing worse than Biden's mandate... likely judge shopping in the process.

      The U.S. Department of Labor’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration is withdrawing the vaccination and testing emergency temporary standard issued on Nov. 5, 2021, to protect unvaccinated employees of large employers with 100 or more employees from workplace exposure to coronavirus. The withdrawal is effective January 26, 2022.

      Although OSHA is withdrawing the vaccination and testing ETS as an enforceable emergency temporary standard, the agency is not withdrawing the ETS as a proposed rule. The agency is prioritizing its resources to focus on finalizing a permanent COVID-19 Healthcare Standard.

      OSHA strongly encourages vaccination of workers against the continuing dangers posed by COVID-19 in the workplace.

      Last edited by 47; 01-25-2022, 03:02 PM.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Let's go Brandon! View Post
        I heard sorta the opposite on the radio earlier... that they had "formally withdrawn Biden's vaccine mandate."


        What I don't get is, they've been firing thousands of people aver this BS while they sat on their hands... now they're just gonna change their minds?


        Edit: ok, seems they are actually doing worse than Biden's mandate... likely judge shopping in the process.



        This is what I think has happened.

        OSHA has a rule making authority and there is a process to go through but it takes time and chances for people to review and deny it.

        There is the emergency exception which requires no such approval. It has very specific and very limiting rules however.

        The Fifth Circuit Court said that the OSHA emergency order appeared to be unconstitutional without hearing the full case and issued a stay. The Sixth Circuit Court said just the opposite, saying it appears to be constitutional without hearing the full case and removed the stay.

        The Supreme Court sided with the Fifth Circuit and ruled that it appeared to be unconstitutional without hearing the full case from the lower court and reinstated the stay.

        None of these courts have heard the arguments other than a temporary, this might harm people so we need the court to stop it until we can look at the case.

        So the Supreme Court sent it back down to the lower courts to actually hold arguments on the docket just as it would in any other case. No matter which way the court rulings went, the loser has the option to appeal back to the Supreme Court who would they hold oral arguments and make a final decision.

        That takes a lot of time and you can tell from the judges’ opinions, it appears as though they would not go along with OSHA’s emergency authority. The Supreme Court did not rule that OSHA did not have emergency authority, that is written into law. What they ruled was, this particular “emergency” as claimed was not a valid reason under that written law.

        So with the ball back in the Biden administration‘s court, they decided to drop the mandate for private companies with 100 employees.

        There were two issues at play here. Firstly they were almost certain to lose. Secondly, without a final ruling from the Supreme Court, OSHA can still use emergency authority in the future. If the Supreme Court slapped down OSHA as overstepping its authority, it would set a precedent that could hamper any future such cases. I think the Biden administration feared such a final ruling. That option apparently has been removed by OSHA removing the mandate, thereby ending the case.

        The Biden administration through OSHA has not dropped the issue however. If I understand it correctly, they are going forward but just not under the emergency authorization. It will take time and they will have to go through a legal written process but they are looking for a rule/mandate where the emergency issue is not the question. Basically they tried to rush it through under emergency authorization but now are going back to the slower process and trying to get a final rule for the future.

        In my opinion ….


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          #5
          Originally posted by Playa View Post
          It won’t matter, many companies will follow Carhartt’s lead and require it anyway, at least initially until they lose too many workers in this employee favorable job market. That buys congress enough time to pass legislation. SC won’t rule against private business requirements nor proper legislation. Their only real objection was osha wasn’t following proper protocol and overstepping it’s boundaries. The federal employee/contractor mandate is still in place, correct? That’s quite a bit of leverage already in the “private” sector
          The left plays dirty while we sit back and watch. I bet these companies are getting government contracts threatened by state governments and are bending the knee.

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            #6
            Originally posted by tvc184 View Post
            This is what I think has happened.

            OSHA has a rule making authority and there is a process to go through but it takes time and chances for people to review and deny it.

            There is the emergency exception which requires no such approval. It has very specific and very limiting rules however.

            The Fifth Circuit Court said that the OSHA emergency order appeared to be unconstitutional without hearing the full case and issued a stay. The Sixth Circuit Court said just the opposite, saying it appears to be constitutional without hearing the full case and removed the stay.

            The Supreme Court sided with the Fifth Circuit and ruled that it appeared to be unconstitutional without hearing the full case from the lower court and reinstated the stay.

            None of these courts have heard the arguments other than a temporary, this might harm people so we need the court to stop it until we can look at the case.

            So the Supreme Court sent it back down to the lower courts to actually hold arguments on the docket just as it would in any other case. No matter which way the court rulings went, the loser has the option to appeal back to the Supreme Court who would they hold oral arguments and make a final decision.

            That takes a lot of time and you can tell from the judges’ opinions, it appears as though they would not go along with OSHA’s emergency authority. The Supreme Court did not rule that OSHA did not have emergency authority, that is written into law. What they ruled was, this particular “emergency” as claimed was not a valid reason under that written law.

            So with the ball back in the Biden administration‘s court, they decided to drop the mandate for private companies with 100 employees.

            There were two issues at play here. Firstly they were almost certain to lose. Secondly, without a final ruling from the Supreme Court, OSHA can still use emergency authority in the future. If the Supreme Court slapped down OSHA as overstepping its authority, it would set a precedent that could hamper any future such cases. I think the Biden administration feared such a final ruling. That option apparently has been removed by OSHA removing the mandate, thereby ending the case.

            The Biden administration through OSHA has not dropped the issue however. If I understand it correctly, they are going forward but just not under the emergency authorization. It will take time and they will have to go through a legal written process but they are looking for a rule/mandate where the emergency issue is not the question. Basically they tried to rush it through under emergency authorization but now are going back to the slower process and trying to get a final rule for the future.

            In my opinion ….


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            I don’t see OSHA getting away with a rule making a vaccine mandatory. The justices have already mentioned that you can’t unvaccinate an employee when they leave work.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Ironman View Post
              I don’t see OSHA getting away with a rule making a vaccine mandatory. The justices have already mentioned that you can’t unvaccinate an employee when they leave work.
              I don’t disagree and hope that’s the case.

              I was just trying to explain my opinion on why OSHA yesterday backed out of the emergency mandate but they are still pushing forward under their regulatory authority and not their emergency authority.

              It is similar in my opinion to the New York City gun law in front of the Supreme Court until a couple of months ago. NYC had a gun ordinance that the Supreme Court agreed to hear. The current Supreme Court might have used that case to really set a sweeping precedent over gun rights. I think at the urging of gun control advocates around the country, NYC repealed the law making it a moot point for the Supreme Court to hear the case. They saw the handwriting on the wall that the Supreme Court might be about to strike down a substantial percentage of the gun control laws in the country. They essentially won by losing the case. They would rather repeal one city law and not risk a landmark Supreme Court decision that would be hard to overturn in the future.

              I think OSHA made the same move. They would rather lose this round and live to fight another day than have a final decision in place that would really chop their potential future emergency authority.

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                #8
                Originally posted by tvc184 View Post
                I don’t disagree and hope that’s the case.



                I was just trying to explain my opinion on why OSHA yesterday backed out of the emergency mandate but they are still pushing forward under their regulatory authority and not their emergency authority.



                It is similar in my opinion to the New York City gun law in front of the Supreme Court until a couple of months ago. NYC had a gun ordinance that the Supreme Court agreed to hear. The current Supreme Court might have used that case to really set a sweeping precedent over gun rights. I think at the urging of gun control advocates around the country, NYC repealed the law making it a moot point for the Supreme Court to hear the case. They saw the handwriting on the wall that the Supreme Court might be about to strike down a substantial percentage of the gun control laws in the country. They essentially won by losing the case. They would rather repeal one city law and not risk a landmark Supreme Court decision that would be hard to overturn in the future.



                I think OSHA made the same move. They would rather lose this round and live to fight another day than have a final decision in place that would really chop their potential future emergency authority.
                Except for this part

                " The agency is prioritizing its resources to focus on finalizing a permanent COVID-19 Healthcare Standard."

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Duckologist View Post
                  Except for this part

                  " The agency is prioritizing its resources to focus on finalizing a permanent COVID-19 Healthcare Standard."

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                  Except…..

                  That’s what I was talking about in my previous response. They knew they were going to lose the emergency authority so they’re going back to get the final authority.

                  The Biden administration through OSHA has not dropped the issue however……..

                  It will take time and they will have to go through a legal written process but they are looking for a rule/mandate where the emergency issue is not the question…..

                  Basically they tried to rush it through under emergency authorization but now are going back to the slower process and trying to get a final rule for the future.

                  In my opinion ….




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                    #10
                    Originally posted by tvc184 View Post
                    Except…..



                    That’s what I was talking about in my previous response. They knew they were going to lose the emergency authority so they’re going back to get the final authority.



                    The Biden administration through OSHA has not dropped the issue however……..



                    It will take time and they will have to go through a legal written process but they are looking for a rule/mandate where the emergency issue is not the question…..



                    Basically they tried to rush it through under emergency authorization but now are going back to the slower process and trying to get a final rule for the future.



                    In my opinion ….








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                    I agree with you on this. The one thing they do well is keep coming until they figure out a way around our laws and the constitution. They see those things as obstacles and hinderences. They do not see them as a rule of standards and principles for a fair and just government that ensure liberty and justice. They will keep coming at it until they get it done and more than likely they will. They have no desire to see liberty and justice prevail. Only a desire to win every battle at all costs. They do not fight for the prosperity of the American people. Only themselves and their own prosperity.
                    They are relentless in their pursuits. It's possibly the only thing they are quite good at.

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                      #11
                      Look, OSHA shmosha, mandate shmandate, just quit already. Its time the country collectively quits giving ANY attention to this BS. Its simple, if the country collectively would reject the BS and just simply refuse to comply with this insanity any further, this would end. These "woke" POS CEO's need to let their berries hang and tell the Gov't to F off. We all need to collectively tell the Gov't to F off. At this point sadly our Gov't has proven itself to be untrustworthy, corrupt beyond measure, our Gov't health agencies (FDA, NIH, CDC) have been politicized to the point that they are liars and authoritarians. Sadly, I know that we have become a country of cowards, sheeple, and woke ideologues. The country collectively will not stand up to these tyrants so it will continue.

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