And I would guess your math is a little off. I know lots of folks that have had the China Flu and not tested or gone to Dr so they dont get counted. Survival is probably a little higher
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You become more and more combative every day it seems. Now you're doing this for people literally quoting the direct statistic that is on the low side due to unreported/asymptomatic infections.Originally posted by Kevin View Post
Goodness man. I'm praying for you to relax a little.Comment
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Originally posted by glen View Post
Yepp. My circle is pretty small and i know of 3 that never even bothered to get tested when their smell and taste vanished.
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I know quite a few people who had all the classic symptoms and never got tested. The numbers are definitely off. But then again, Im guessing the "died from" Covid number is a bit off as well.
This is a nasty, nasty bug that I wouldnt wish on anyone.....outside of those that created and released it on the world. Oh and those that have tried to benefit from it.Comment
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Most if not all of my family have never been tested. Don't see why one would go get tested. Wouldn't that just spread it more to other people/families?Originally posted by bloodstick View PostComment
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Yeah but I just read an article on another forum about how there were so many false positives and the claims that a lot of people were asymptomatic were incorrect. The antivaxxers were ecstatic about how maybe only half the people that the government claims had Covid, actually had it.Originally posted by glen View Post
If that was true, wouldn’t that double the death right?Comment
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sure, assuming the "death by covid" numbers are correct.Originally posted by tvc184 View PostComment
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TVC. You are correct. Nobody knows. What is known that does not get out is the more active you are and higher immune system health you stand a better chance. That is about all that is certain and only thing any of us can change about ourselves. I spend at least 30 hrs a week outside, walk, go to gym, eat mostly healthy, take my supplements- Thats about the best I can doComment
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if the labels are interchangeable , why don't they just change them? things that make you go HMMMM...
in the meantime i'm guessing all the mandates are moot since the are still distributing the emergency authorized drug only
Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine With Comirnaty Label Still Not Available in US
Lawyers representing clients challenging vaccine mandates argue the vaccines are "legally distinct"
BY ZACHARY STIEBER AND MEILING LEE October 13, 2021 Updated: October 13, 2021biggersmaller Print
Officials in 19 states confirmed this week to The Epoch Times they have not received doses of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine labeled Comirnaty. So did pharmacies in New York, California, and Missouri.
A Pfizer spokesperson told The Epoch Times in an email that there are no doses of Comirnaty in the United States as of Oct. 12.
“The FDA-approved Comirnaty and the EUA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine have the same formulation and, according to the FDA labeling, can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series,” a Pfizer spokesman told The Epoch Times.
However, lawyers representing clients challenging vaccine requirements, say the lack of availability means vaccine mandates based on the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval are unlawful.
“Under the emergency use authorization, everyone has an option to accept or refuse the product. And that means every person, military and civilian. So this is critical. All of the mandates, from the military to the civilian population, are violating federal law,” Mathew Staver, chairman of Liberty Counsel, a Christian legal group, told The Epoch Times.
The situation would be different if Comirnaty was available, Staver said. “You cannot interchange BioNTech’s Cominarty with Pfizer’s [shot] from a legal standpoint. They are legally distinct.”
Contact with state and federal officials and pharmacies revealed widespread confusion regarding the differences between the approved Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and the version that received emergency use authorization (EUA) in December 2020 and continues to be administered under EUA now.
A number of officials were unaware of any differences and others insisted they were the same for all intents and purposes, including several officials with the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), which handles distribution of COVID-19 vaccines.
“It’s the same thing,” an HHS official told The Epoch Times.
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The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) building is seen in Washington, on July 22, 2019. (Alastair Pike/AFP via Getty Images)
That’s a different message than that being sent to states, some of which have been told by federal officials not to expect doses of Comirnaty for a while.
“The CDC anticipates that Comirnaty will begin to ship some time in November at the earliest,” a spokesman for the Arizona Department of Health told The Epoch Times in an email, referring to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“The Maryland Department of Health has been told by the CDC that Comirnaty will not ship until the end of October/beginning of November,” a spokesman with the Maryland Department of Health told The Epoch Times in an email.
“According to the latest update DOH has received from the CDC, shipments of Comirnaty likely won’t begin until next month,” a spokeswoman with the Washington State Department of Health told The Epoch Times in an email.
“We don’t expect vials with the brand name ‘Comirnaty’ affixed to them to be delivered until later in the year,” a spokesman with the Idaho Department of Health told The Epoch Times in an email.
A spokeswoman for the Tennessee Health Department said that the federal government still has a large amount of the authorized doses and there is no timeline on when Comirnaty will be shipped.
The only state expecting doses soon is Delaware. Officials there were told 5,850 doses manufactured after the Aug. 23 approval date should arrive this week, a spokeswoman for the Delaware Department of Health said.
The FDA referred questions to the CDC and HHS. The CDC did not respond to repeated queries. The HHS official who wasn’t aware of the differences alleged approved doses were available, but said she was “puzzled” by follow-up questions on when they started being available and how many are available and ultimately referred questions to the FDA. A different HHS official indicated the agency is not tracking when approved doses enter the distribution system.
The FDA approved the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Aug. 23. On the same day, the drug regulator extended the EUA for existing doses and for children between 12 and 15.
The approval triggered vaccine mandates across the country, including for the Department of Defense. Many officials said they were waiting for the approval to impose mandates.
In the letter extending the EUA, Denise Hinton, the FDA’s chief scientist, said the vaccines are “legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness.” The letter is no longer available on the FDA’s website, though the same language is used in an FAQ on the approved vaccine, known as Comirnaty.
The FDA has declined to say what the differences are. Pfizer told The Epoch Times previously that they refer to certain manufacturing processes.
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Signage is seen outside of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) headquarters in White Oak, Md., on Aug. 29, 2020. (Andrew Kelly/Reuters)
In a follow-up missive on Sept. 22, Hinton wrote that the authorized and approved versions have “the same formulation” and that the products “can be used interchangeably to provide the vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns.”
Federal agencies in various documents have indicated recently there is little or no Comirnaty supply in the country.
Both of Hinton’s letters stated that there is an insufficient supply of Comirnaty in the United States to distribute to the U.S. population in its entirety.
A document posted by the CDC last month said Pfizer “does not plan to produce any product” with new labeling, referring to Comirnaty, “over the next few months while EUA authorized product is still available and being made available for U.S. distribution.”
Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) has questioned (pdf) why the existing doses were not approved and, given the lack of Comirnaty supply, whether the FDA was “de facto endorsing vaccine mandates utilizing EUA vaccines?”
The FDA declined to answer questions on the approval process. Several experts told The Epoch Times that federal law appears to preclude approving existing authorized products.
To cast a wider net on the matter, The Epoch Times also contacted 12 private companies, mostly pharmacies involved in vaccine administration.
Walgreens, Kroger, H-E-B Pharmacy, Publix Pharmacy, Thrifty White Pharmacy, the Mayo Clinic, and Novant Health did not respond to requests for comment. CVS referred questions to the federal government. Northwell Health, a New York health care system, declined to comment.
The Legacy Specialty Pharmacy in Queens, New York said they do not have Comirnaty doses. A pharmacist at Lorena Pharmacy said he was not aware of any differences and thought the approval in August was only for booster doses, indicating they do not have Comirnaty. A pharmacist at Kilgore’s Medical Pharmacy in Missouri said they only get Moderna vaccine doses.Comment
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Combative? Negative. If you can't handle an f-bomb or two then we probably can't be friends anyway. I really don't care if you get a vax or not. I don't care if you wear a mask or not. I don't care if you use ivermectin or not. I have my opinion and you are entitled to yours. Im totally against a vaccine mandate, especially without a clause for natural immunity.Originally posted by SB09 View Post
What gets under my skin is people who think this is all a hoax. I personally know a dad that died from COVID and left behind a young son and wife. He was in good health. I literally know ZERO people over the last 30 years that have died from flu or a cold unless they were already well on their way to the grave. This is different because its new and our bodies don't know how to handle it. I also feel in 20 years, this will just be like a cold because our bodies, and especially our kids bodies, will know how to react.
Can someone post up the source of the 99.78% rate? And does it group by age class? Kids are going to be much lower than adults over 40.Comment
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I certainly never claimed otherwiseOriginally posted by Benno View PostWow! Stay classy San Diego.
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The member didn't say a single thing about an hoax or discrediting anything to do with the virus. They literally quoted a statistic and it sent you into triggered mode. That's where my concern comes in with the reaction.Originally posted by Kevin View Post
I know two people that passed from the flu while being seemingly healthy. One of them just months before the C19 came to America. I don't go into f-bomb trigger mode when someone says the flu is no big deal. We also treat the flu early and often after diagnosis. Maybe there's something to that...
Perhaps you should be cursing at the CDC, NIH, and Doctors in general for doing the exact opposite of what proper protocol is for any other respiratory virus instead of the person that literally quotes statistics?Comment
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Sure, if we are 100% certain that every one of the deaths counted as Covid was directly a result of Covid.Originally posted by tvc184 View Post
But, I've heard multiple people in the medical community say Covid deaths aren't counted based on Covid being the main cause of death. They're counted as dying with Covid, not from Covid.Comment
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That is true but I will go back to my anecdotal evidence.Originally posted by jshouse View Post
In 65 years I have never known anyone died from the flu and I can’t think of a single person it even hospitalized.
I have had 10 friends or acquaintances that have died of Covid. Several others have been hospitalized. One has been hospitalized in serious condition is about 35 years old, on the swat team and runs several miles a week and he’s absolutely not overweight. Again, it is anecdotal however I have never known somebody else to have that happen from the flu.
I had a fairly bad case of Covid about two months ago. I went to the hospital and got x-rayed and confirmed that I had pneumonia with it and I also had to be hooked up to IVs because I was so dehydrated. The fairly large emergency room was packed, there were stretchers in the hallways and people who had been there for a couple of days waiting for a room. I had a friend that I worked with it was there for three days in the hallway. When they hooked me up to the IV, I had to be in the corner of the waiting room because there was no room anywhere else.
Does that prove the numbers are correct? No. I know that I have never seen any other condition or disease is caused any of that or even close to it.
I don’t agree with the underlying conditions argument either. Do underlying conditions matter? I would say without a doubt. Those same underlying conditions however are the same things that caused people to die from the flu or from pneumonia. People shout underlying conditions like it only applies to Covid. Most other deaths from bacterial or virus lung infections are likely caused in people with underlying conditions.
I don’t have a clue about the numbers of confirmed cases or the survival rate. I believe the death rate is extremely high due to Covid however. Look at how many threads we’ve had in tbh where members of this forum or close members of the family have died or are suffering from serious or critical conditions.
In my opinion the government has gone to an extreme to exploit what is happening. They are throwing their Hail Mary pass to try to get Socialism and unfortunately they might complete it. I wish there was a way for many of them to be locked up for treason. I think mandates from the government or a private companies are stupid and from the federal government are likely unconstitutional.
But I still think Covid is real, is a serious illness and not just about the case of the seasonal flu. When I look up the seasonal flu statistics I see usually between 30 and 40,000 people a year die from the flu… and underlying conditions. Even if you cut the 700,000 deaths claim to Covid in half, there is still a decade worth of deaths in about 18 months.Comment
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Originally posted by SB09 View Post
I was responding to Hart8's "this is not a pandemic" and 'silly flu' response. That is what Ætheling reacted to. Good try, Mr Inspector.
You are the one getting worked up and it cracks me up.
Man, I have this one guy on Facebook that I went to school with. He spends literally most of his day writing about COVID conspiracy and all that far-right wing stuff. Talks like he is the most knowledgable person on the planet concerning COVID. I took science with this dude for a long time. He could barely understand the questions on tests much less answer them accurately.Comment
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