Don't ya know this is sticking in the craws of those who pushed it.

[Artos]

Make no mistake the goal was prayer elimination.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/tennessee-high-school-football-players-prayer-school-prohibits-prayer

[jshouse]

awesome

[Todd P]

Amen

[Geezy Rider]

Young leaders right there.

[manwitaplan]

Awesome.


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[hpdrifter]

you know, if this catches on, it'll lead to more court battles that'll eventually say "no prayer on public property",

if, if we continue down the road we're on

[justletmein]

This is really encouraging, great to see!

[fishman]

love it! I get to watch the high school volleyball team my daughter plays for huddle up for prayer before every game. The football teams does the same thing on friday nights.

[tvc184]

Make no mistake the goal was prayer elimination.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/tennessee...ohibits-prayer

Sure it was intended to eliminate prayer. When a group called Americans United for Separation of Church and State sends a letter to the school district asking them to comply with SCOTUS decision (probably Engle v. Vitale), it is to eliminate school lead prayer.

you know, if this catches on, it'll lead to more court battles that'll eventually say "no prayer on public property",

if, if we continue down the road we're on

Looking at prior SCOTUS cases, I don’t think so. The First Amendment establishes an individual‘s right to pray just as much as establishes that the state can’t tell you how to. This has been mentioned in several cases however probably the most clear was Wallace v. Jaffree in 1984. In that ruling Supreme Court said that not allowing individuals to pray is just as wrong as the government trying to tell them how to pray.

The state of Alabama made a state law (Wallace ruling) that said at the beginning of class allowing for a minute of silence. That was held as constitutional because an individual can pray as they wish or not pray at all. Alabama then changed the law to it could be a minute of silence “or prayer” and then allowed the teacher to lead the prayer. SCOTUS ruled that a moment of silence is constitutional because it allows an individual to pray but teacher lead prayer violates the Constitution (Engle).

The point is that in every case I have read, the Supreme Court agrees that individuals have the right to pray and the school district, which is a government body, cannot tell you how to pray and that includes leading a prayer. While the rulings have never been unanimous, there has never been any dissent that I have read in any case about an individual or a group of individuals not allowed to pray. It has always been against government led.

In the case that started the separation, Engle v. Vitale, it was not an atheist or an anti-religious person that sued. Under the law in New York the teacher was allowed to read a prayer which was written by the legislature. Engle filed the lawsuit because he was a Jew and likely very religious. His problem was that his son had to clasp his hands together in prayer and bow his head. Engle was not against prayer but said that is not how we (Jews) pray. Therein lies the problem with school lead prayer. James Madison who wrote the First Amendment said that if it is easy to bar certain religions other than Christianity, how hard will it be for Christian sects to start barring each other? If a school district has a majority of Catholics and they start requiring Catholic prayer in public schools, how are Protestant Christians going to feel about praying from books that do not exist in the King James Bible? You protestants may be Christian but today you will pray from the Catholic Bible?

Remember that Ilhan Omar is the representative from a district in Minnesota and I believe it is a majority Muslim,as she is. She has a right to be as she wants but do you want that school district requiring students for to recite the Muslim call to prayer and face of Mecca?

As long as it does not disrupt someone else, football players have the right to pray as they see fit. So does anyone else and after several Supreme Court cases I’ve seen nothing to the contrary where they would ever prohibit an individual or group from praying.

What a the football players did was awesome. I don’t see that changing. As the Supreme Court said in Wallace, denying a person the right to pray is just wrong as the government telling you how to pray.

In my opinion.

[steve morton]

Good for them.

[doghouse]

Prayer before the HS football games at Goldthwaite has not been affected. I don't think it ever will be.

[tvc184]

Prayer before the HS football games at Goldthwaite has not been affected. I don't think it ever will be.

Just hopefully nobody contests it since it has already been settled by the Supreme Court.

I know Vidor in my area still does prayer over the loudspeaker. As long as no one complains, they’re good to go.

[tvc184]

Just hopefully nobody contests it since it has already been settled by the Supreme Court.

I know Vidor in my area still does prayer over the loudspeaker. As long as no one complains, they’re good to go.

….. and it usually gets a pretty loud cheer whenever they finish. It’s probably the only time you hear clapping for a prayer.

[hpdrifter]

Sure it was intended to eliminate prayer. When a group called Americans United for Separation of Church and State sends a letter to the school district asking them to comply with SCOTUS decision (probably Engle v. Vitale), it is to eliminate school lead prayer.



Looking at prior SCOTUS cases, I don’t think so. The First Amendment establishes an individual‘s right to pray just as much as establishes that the state can’t tell you how to. This has been mentioned in several cases however probably the most clear was Wallace v. Jaffree in 1984. In that ruling Supreme Court said that not allowing individuals to pray is just as wrong as the government trying to tell them how to pray.

The state of Alabama made a state law (Wallace ruling) that said at the beginning of class allowing for a minute of silence. That was held as constitutional because an individual can pray as they wish or not pray at all. Alabama then changed the law to it could be a minute of silence “or prayer” and then allowed the teacher to lead the prayer. SCOTUS ruled that a moment of silence is constitutional because it allows an individual to pray but teacher lead prayer violates the Constitution (Engle).

The point is that in every case I have read, the Supreme Court agrees that individuals have the right to pray and the school district, which is a government body, cannot tell you how to pray and that includes leading a prayer. While the rulings have never been unanimous, there has never been any dissent that I have read in any case about an individual or a group of individuals not allowed to pray. It has always been against government led.

In the case that started the separation, Engle v. Vitale, it was not an atheist or an anti-religious person that sued. Under the law in New York the teacher was allowed to read a prayer which was written by the legislature. Engle filed the lawsuit because he was a Jew and likely very religious. His problem was that his son had to clasp his hands together in prayer and bow his head. Engle was not against prayer but said that is not how we (Jews) pray. Therein lies the problem with school lead prayer. James Madison who wrote the First Amendment said that if it is easy to bar certain religions other than Christianity, how hard will it be for Christian sects to start barring each other? If a school district has a majority of Catholics and they start requiring Catholic prayer in public schools, how are Protestant Christians going to feel about praying from books that do not exist in the King James Bible? You protestants may be Christian but today you will pray from the Catholic Bible?

Remember that Ilhan Omar is the representative from a district in Minnesota and I believe it is a majority Muslim,as she is. She has a right to be as she wants but do you want that school district requiring students for to recite the Muslim call to prayer and face of Mecca?

As long as it does not disrupt someone else, football players have the right to pray as they see fit. So does anyone else and after several Supreme Court cases I’ve seen nothing to the contrary where they would ever prohibit an individual or group from praying.

What a the football players did was awesome. I don’t see that changing. As the Supreme Court said in Wallace, denying a person the right to pray is just wrong as the government telling you how to pray.

In my opinion.

I hope all of that is correct and binding, but what I said was not about "not letting them pray? It was about letting them assemble for prayer on public property. In other words if you want to pray, do it on private property.

THIS IS NOT MY POINT OF VIEW. IT IS WHAT I THINK MAY BE CHALLENGED IN THE FUTURE

What's right is wrong and what's wrong is right these days. Again not my POV, just an observation.

[tvc184]

I hope all of that is correct and binding, but what I said was not about "not letting them pray? It was about letting them assemble for prayer on public property. In other words if you want to pray, do it on private property.

THIS IS NOT MY POINT OF VIEW. IT IS WHAT I THINK MAY BE CHALLENGED IN THE FUTURE

What's right is wrong and what's wrong is right these days. Again not my POV, just an observation.

I know it was just a question posed by you.

I sometimes hate giving responses like I don’t think so or yeah I agree. I get long winded and try to back it up what I believe with laws, court cases and such.