So y’all are not gonna talk about this?

[rolylane6]

See, those are great points and I’ll have to rethink my stance for while. I’m not afraid to say I may have headed into the wrong direction on something, that’s why I like talking things through. As it stands, while I ponder, no matter how many come it doesn’t matter, if we do a good job enforcing our constitution and our rule of law what would more people hurt (other than crowding the place up). I will admit I do give people the benefit of doubt on face value that they are decent and are here to work and contribute. I don’t think they are all drug dealers looking to leach the system, so that’s the angle I start from. Thanks east for giving me something to think about.

You're probably right that most want to be good citizens and good citizens would obey the law and enter legally. As far as the ones who have criminal reasons for coming here, you have to vet them all to find the ones who are up to no good. You can't just let them in and hope there's not any bad ones.

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[justletmein]

I have spent enough time with this and it was fun and hopefully my last post lol. On immigration my motivation is to ensure we have sufficient workers to maintain our countries GDP, we should make immigration as easy as possible. Your only as strong as your countries wealth and its ability to maintain its economy. No wealth no power. I know about government spending crowding out private enterprises lol them screwing up their country gives us an opportunity to take in their workers to build our own wealth. If y’all want to close the gates and die a slow death that’s cool, I just don’t think it’s a good idea. Good luck this bow season, I hope everyone shoots a magnum.

Or we could just stop paying people to stay home unemployed and they can work.

[Ironman]

Neither, i understand exactly what they are doing. They are encouraging the flood of people to come, overwhelming our system. Of course, everyone can see that. What i'm saying is why let them be the ones to let them in? We live in the state that they are coming to, why not we set the narrative? We need to be the ones making it easier to come here not screaming kick them out. Why don't we create the holding facilities that are more comfortable, send more people to the border to help them become citizens quicker, be the ones making it easier. Beat the dems at their own game, be the ones to give them freedom and win the vote. Sitting around saying "Go through the right way" with no upgrades to make the "right way" easier, doesn't make sense. Why would we give the left the free votes when they are coming to our state and we control how they come in. The questions becomes, do ya'll really want them?

States can’t grant citizenship. Surprised you didn’t know that. Well, not really.

[rolylane6]

Look I get the argument, you have to vet the people, you have to have a way to get here. We need more resources to expedite the process to get them in here because they aren’t going to stop coming. Let them know we welcome them and look forward to their work, just saying there is a process get in line and wait gives the dems the chance to overwhelm your system. This all revolves around the idea you want immigrants, if you don’t then I can see the argument, it’s illegal, get in line and wait. Our countries population declined for the first time last year ever, if that stays the course our kids will have a terrible time trying to keep up their standard of living with businesses failing from lack of workers and an over burdened system.

We don't need to out hustle the Dems and make immigration easier. We just need to stop their lunacy from continuing.

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[ram04]

Once again I didn’t fully explain myself and what I had in mind, it involves leadeding charge on how we process them using the federal government, I know Texas can’t grant citizenship lol. That’s the worst part about doing this in words on the internet but it was fun no matter what.

[ram04]

Or we could just stop paying people to stay home unemployed and they can work.

Yes, I with you on that!!!!!

[Ætheling]

OP, I agree with many of your points. I am too conservative to be a liberal and too liberal to be a conservative. I am just me and make my own decisions and try to stay neutral between the two as I have both in my family. I believe first and foremost in Natural Law.

Natural law[1] (Latin: ius naturale, lex naturalis) is a system of law based on a close observation of human nature, and based on values intrinsic to human nature that can be deduced and applied independent of positive law (the enacted laws of a state or society).[2] According to natural law theory, all people have inherent rights, conferred not by act of legislation but by "God, nature, or reason."[3] Natural law theory can also refer to "theories of ethics, theories of politics, theories of civil law, and theories of religious morality."[4]

Now very recently I have dropped my neutrality stance. Democrats and liberals have allowed violent Marxists to go unchecked and have abandoned the Bill of Rights and Constitution as a whole. Until they get their house in order the Conservatives are my allies. I don't agree with everything they stand for (if they are ideologically dogmatic) but not agreeing with a few things versus not agreeing with almost everything makes the decision very clear to me.

I am an anti war veteran who is pro military.

I am pro liberty and therefore pro cannabis legalization.

I am pro life and at the same time do not think it is my place to dictate to someone else what is morally correct. That is their burden to deal with, not mine. I don't like it but I don't like a lot of immoral things that no one is doing anything about.

I am not putting these stances out here to start debate here. I am giving concessions to make a point. I will not debate those subjects here. Just giving you some understanding that you have painted with a broad brush here assuming so much of so many.

[jaime1982]

Sometimes its ok to stop arguing with an idiotic point of view and simply let them be wrong.

you win!

[ram04]

OP, I agree with many of your points. I am too conservative to be a liberal and too liberal to be a conservative. I am just me and make my own decisions and try to stay neutral between the two as I have both in my family. I believe first and foremost in Natural Law.

Natural law[1] (Latin: ius naturale, lex naturalis) is a system of law based on a close observation of human nature, and based on values intrinsic to human nature that can be deduced and applied independent of positive law (the enacted laws of a state or society).[2] According to natural law theory, all people have inherent rights, conferred not by act of legislation but by "God, nature, or reason."[3] Natural law theory can also refer to "theories of ethics, theories of politics, theories of civil law, and theories of religious morality."[4]

Now very recently I have dropped my neutrality stance. Democrats and liberals have allowed violent Marxists to go unchecked and have abandoned the Bill of Rights and Constitution as a whole. Until they get their house in order the Conservatives are my allies. I don't agree with everything they stand for (if they are ideologically dogmatic) but not agreeing with a few things versus not agreeing with almost everything makes the decision very clear to me.

I am an anti war veteran who is pro military.

I am pro liberty and therefore pro cannabis legalization.

I am pro life and at the same time do not think it is my place to dictate to someone else what is morally correct. That is their burden to deal with, not mine. I don't like it but I don't like a lot of immoral things that no one is doing anything about.

I am not putting these stances out here to start debate here. I am giving concessions to make a point. I will not debate those subjects here. Just giving you some understanding that you have painted with a broad brush here assuming so much of so many.

I respect that crap out of this post man and I appreciate it and I will for sure admit I'm human and humans assume things from time to time. That's why I keep saying, that's the bad part about doing these things on the internet, it's hard to read people and completely understand the angle they are coming from. I agree whole heartedly on the Democrats of the time, they have turned into something I can't recognize which is why i voted for Trump. I was really setting that aside just for conversation when I started this thread, I honestly like a good debate from time to time to either concrete an idea or learn new ones. Thanks!

[SaltwaterSlick]

OP, I agree with many of your points. I am too conservative to be a liberal and too liberal to be a conservative. I am just me and make my own decisions and try to stay neutral between the two as I have both in my family. I believe first and foremost in Natural Law.

Natural law[1] (Latin: ius naturale, lex naturalis) is a system of law based on a close observation of human nature, and based on values intrinsic to human nature that can be deduced and applied independent of positive law (the enacted laws of a state or society).[2] According to natural law theory, all people have inherent rights, conferred not by act of legislation but by "God, nature, or reason."[3] Natural law theory can also refer to "theories of ethics, theories of politics, theories of civil law, and theories of religious morality."[4]

Now very recently I have dropped my neutrality stance. Democrats and liberals have allowed violent Marxists to go unchecked and have abandoned the Bill of Rights and Constitution as a whole. Until they get their house in order the Conservatives are my allies. I don't agree with everything they stand for (if they are ideologically dogmatic) but not agreeing with a few things versus not agreeing with almost everything makes the decision very clear to me.

I am an anti war veteran who is pro military.

I am pro liberty and therefore pro cannabis legalization.

I am pro life and at the same time do not think it is my place to dictate to someone else what is morally correct. That is their burden to deal with, not mine. I don't like it but I don't like a lot of immoral things that no one is doing anything about.

I am not putting these stances out here to start debate here. I am giving concessions to make a point. I will not debate those subjects here. Just giving you some understanding that you have painted with a broad brush here assuming so much of so many.

You may not agree, but I believe you and I would get along just fine... You described me pretty closely except I indeed do put my faith in God for after MANY years of research and studying, I truly believe He created me. I wouldn't see that as a deal-breaker between the 2 of us/our families...

[Ætheling]

You may not agree, but I believe you and I would get along just fine... You described me pretty closely except I indeed do put my faith in God for after MANY years of research and studying, I truly believe He created me. I wouldn't see that as a deal-breaker between the 2 of us/our families...

I am positive we would get along. We butted head a few times on the religious thing but at the time me and my wife were mourning a loss that could never be returned to us. At the time I could not tolerate the “gods plan” paradigm in any form so I apologize for any disrespectful posts. My wife is very religious as are most of my family.

[kwarw]

I am positive we would get along. We butted head a few times on the religious thing but at the time me and my wife were mourning a loss that could never be returned to us. At the time I could not tolerate the “gods plan” paradigm in any form so I apologize for any disrespectful posts. My wife is very religious as are most of my family.

I am sorry for your loss,I have been there as well.
You have no reason to apologize,if you feel compelled to that's fine and your choice.
I have said and done things out of emotion as we all have.In my opinion your explanation was enough.


Like my next post that I will separate from this one out of respect for you!

[kwarw]

I agree, And it does seem to be one sided most of the time.

I came here to start a thread titled " I wonder why the USA is hated?

I USED to be a DEMOCRAT would be a good thread starter as well.I used to be one!

The DEM party has gone so far LEFT that I could no longer justify voting for them. NOW with all the cancelling,mandates,name calling (your a racist,etc). With there ridiculous policies on abortion,immigration,pick one.

There is no debate left! Express you views and if you are not aligned with the left you are CANCELLED!!! Look what happened to the Hip Hop star just this week about the vax! 22 million F book followers/ Canceled.

Hunter Biden,Taliban, Ia-tolla of Iran,Isis CHINA now that's OKAY.

There is no way on this earth I will EVER vote for one again.

I am choosing to quote my post #16 for quick reference to ALL That Care to Digest what I am laying down.

Fact 1: Ram04 posted this as a DIG to provoke a response.
Fact 2: I came here to start a thread on the very topic
Fact 3: I agreed with 2 points that he made
And lastly I pointed out that I HAPPEN to be NEW! OMG NEW!

Now before you get to the part about me being BUTT HURT or " I shoved myself into the thread" and all of that read it out since this thread has gone from Afghanistan drone to legal drugs I don't consider this a hijack.

5-6 Post after mine someone comes in and makes reference to "these clowns" I have no idea if this includes ME.
Another makes comments about where one's attention should be focused.
Then several others make comments like when you've been around a while you'll know. Or implying that I shut up until I agree with a point of view,etc.

AFTERWARDS--- SEVERAL FOLKS HAVE PMed ME EXPLAINING THEMSELVES And that is great and the right thing to do.I accept all of your apologies.

As far as the welcome to the PACE 1st amendment club YA'LL suck hind tit on how I was treated in your quest to bomb the OP. I know for a fact you are better than that. I waited to see how this thread went and have not said one word once I was told about the "history".

I am posting this so some of you can reflect on how you SPEAK to others.

And yes having truck drivers smoking LEGAL pot is great driving 80,000 # trucks @ 70MPH is a great idea as long as MY FAMILY IS SAFE AT HOME! Stupid!!!

KWARW

[ram04]

Who said anything about a truck driver driving 80 mph smoking weed? Lol