When a death occurs "from covid" ??

[RiverRat1]

A few questions some people should ponder.

When someone dies from complication from covid, what does that mean?
Without catching covid would the person have been just fine, a little ill, seriously ill, or dead?

Do people get to assume when someone dies from covid and the media does not say they were unvaccinated that they were indeed vaccinated?

How has it become bad to ask any questions when anyone dies from covid? And why does no doctor say anything like they would have died anyway?


The Texas GW thread got me to thinking. And when I googled his name I couldn't believe how many web stories popped up. I guess the media is now searching for anyone even remotely popular much less famous so they can spread fear? Or was he that well known? TMZ was all over it and 100's more. I didn't see anything about vaccination status.

[okrattler]

I think that's how numbers can be exaggerated. Death is final so you can't wait to see what could have happened. You can't run to heaven real quick and ask God if it was that persons time or not. And if they had underlying health problems only their family could know about that's about the only way to assume anything. But even then you're just assuming. Which I believe in most cases people do have underlying health problems. But the media will only allow you to know one side of the story. Same way they do everything else.

Your eyes only see what they want you to see. Your ears only hear what they want you to hear.

[glen]

Well i know two that died this week. One I just knew and dont know history. The other I worked with in same Unit. He was pre diabetic and high blood pressure 15 years ago. Bad genetics but he didnt help himself out with fast food either. One vaccinated one not.

Only thing people will put out is what fits their narrative. I dont care what source and uf its right leaning or left fruitcake.

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[okrattler]

All I know is I've been running around without a mask on,unvaccinated since the beginning. Don't know of anyone that's died of it. I haven't had it, that I know of. But yet was talking to people a week before they said they had it. I got a headache and what seemed like a cough starting at one point but that's about as sick as I've gotten. If it's as bad as the media says it is either people here are superhuman or they just ain't dyin from it.

The three deaths I have heard about was a 20 something year old that was morbidly obese,a woman with heart problems and an old man. Did they die from covid? Don't know. But I have my doubts.

[Roscoe]

When a death occurs "from covid" ??

Only thing people will put out is what fits their narrative. I dont care what source and if its right leaning or left fruitcake.

That’s dead solid on target. And we tend to trust things that we see/read that line up with our beliefs or preconceived notions.


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[Lungbustr]

They used to used the phrase died "with" covid. Which was typically misleading.

Seems typically they just want to pump the fear.

[TeamAmerica]

Honestly there is no easy answer - that is the frustrating part about covid.

Every single case is unique and it seems so distant and perplexing.

I unfortunately am in the group that now knows someone who died while having covid (from, with, while having, not sure). She was a bit overweight. And it happened fast. I have zero doubt that she would be alive today without covid (or some strong super flu).

Then my uncle got covid, 75 years old, overweight, diabetic. He is still kicking like a chicken. How in the world I don't know.

I don't think anyone should be ashamed to ask about someone who dies- but first priority should be to show the dead some respect as well as those still grieving.

[HogHunter34]

I had a good friend die from it about 3 weeks ago. All I know is he was very lethargic on a Tuesday & Wednesday and started throwing up on a Thursday. By then he was pretty weak & wife called ambulance. By Friday night in the hospital he had a major stroke and had very little brain activity. Family made decision to remove life support
What I don’t know is if he knew he even had it on that Tuesday? I know the hospital determined he had it
He was 48 and relatively healthy. May have had some blood pressure issues
We knew the nurse that was my friends nurse the week he passed away. She told us they had lost 3 other men in their 40s that same day my friend passed away.
She said they are seeing more serious cases with 30s,40s, & 50s
I didn’t know anything about the other 3 men in their 40s in terms of overall health


I do know another guy that is 53 and currently on a ventilator. Last update he had shown some improvement. He’s pretty healthy with a very active lifestyle and no medical issues that I’m aware of

[RiverRat1]

IMO everyone should tell others all the facts they know.
1. Other health issues.
2. Vaccinated or not.
3. If known, how healthy did they eat.
4. Were they taking vitamins, ivermectin pre-covid?
5. What did doctors give them once they had it?

Knowing these things should be critical so we all know if what we're doing works. Or at least know what to demand the doctors do. A lot of people are probably going to hell over all this if treating patients works and doctors just are not doing it.

[M16]

It was so much easier when Trump was president. The lead off on every newscast was how many people people died that day from Covid. Wonder why they stopped doing that?

[GarGuy]

Covid is bad bad crap. Sure the media hyped it but sadly I gave had way too much direct experience with it. Some folks get over it easy. Some healthy folks don't. A 56 yr old friend died Thursday. Picture of health a month ago. geen on a vent a week.

[Gumbo Man]

Covid is bad bad crap. Sure the media hyped it but sadly I gave had way too much direct experience with it. Some folks get over it easy. Some healthy folks don't. A 56 yr old friend died Thursday. Picture of health a month ago. geen on a vent a week.

This.

[HogHunter34]

IMO everyone should tell others all the facts they know.
1. Other health issues.
2. Vaccinated or not.
3. If known, how healthy did they eat.
4. Were they taking vitamins, ivermectin pre-covid?
5. What did doctors give them once they had it?

Knowing these things should be critical so we all know if what we're doing works. Or at least know what to demand the doctors do. A lot of people are probably going to hell over all this if treating patients works and doctors just are not doing it.

That type information is captured under patient profile with their Dr & known at the hospital they were in. That type info is not openly shared to the public due to HIPPA. However, case studies typically capture all these factors and that type correlation study will most likely shake out in the future.

[RiverRat1]

Pretty sure you can post whatever facts you want about someone you know that dies.

HIPPA just means random people can't call and ask doctors for your medical info. Well they can call but it restricts hospital/doctor staff from giving out info.