Covid Variant - Delta

[HogHunter34]

I didn’t won’t to create another Covid thread but in efforts to not derail the hospital vacc mandate thread talking about the delta variant & they don’t have a definitive test. I thought I would share knowledge from my sister who is normally up to date on her research.

Basically for any virus with time it will mutate in efforts to survive
When spikes in cases originated in India & UK, scientist noticed a mutation & hence the new “variant” in which they named it (delta) for whatever reason
She mentioned that with these cases they noticed a higher viral load (concentration) in the nasal & throat areas of these patients which is the reason why it has a higher transmission rate than the initial strain out of China
So basically they are seeing a faster spread due to the higher load with higher transmission rate
This is why we are seeing a more pressured push of the vaccine due to the risk of faster spread (which I hope doesn’t mean another shutdown or stay at home orders)
She did also mention many of the cases of vaccinated folks still contracting it are typically patients who were vaccinated 6+ months ago
She did say that you never have 100% coverage on prevention and with time your resistance is lower and hence why risk of contracting increases with time following the vaccine…hence the topic of a booster potentially needed

My brother also told me he was off for 4 days from the hospital he works at and he returned today and their cases had doubled in those 4 days he was off. He said he didn’t even get to eat today they were so busy

Hope this helps

[MassMan]

An every 6 months jab...sign me up!

[MadHatter]

An every 6 months jab...sign me up!

lololololol

[47]

So again, I ask...

What's the $(%*!@$ point?

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/04/anthony-fauci-suggests-delta-variant-cases-may-double-even-if-we-vaccinated-everyone-today/

This is Fauci talk for... the vaccines do nothing.

Anthony Fauci Suggests Delta Variant Cases May Double, ‘Even If We Vaccinated Everyone Today’

[MadHatter]

So again, I ask...

What's the $(%*!@$ point?

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/04/anthony-fauci-suggests-delta-variant-cases-may-double-even-if-we-vaccinated-everyone-today/

This is Fauci talk for... the vaccines do nothing.

Here's your answer.
Duh


ME: CDC, should I get poke if I already had Covid?

CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”

ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?

CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”

ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?

CDC: …

ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?

CDC: Yes.

NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”

ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?

CDC: Possibly. You never know.

ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?

BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.

ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?

CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.

ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?

CDC: That’s right.

ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?

CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.

ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.

CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”

ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?

CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.

ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?

CDC: Yes, for the collective.

ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?

CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.

ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?

CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.

ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?

CDC: No.

ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?

CDC: Yes.

ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?

CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.

ME: But what KIND of threat??

CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.

ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??

CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.

ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?

…

ME: Um, hello? Is anyone there?

[HogHunter34]

I think the booster shot discussion is based around the study of how many vaccinated are still contracting as well as spikes in new cases. If it becomes more controlled per CDC stats then booster shots may not be required

Yeah I ain’t getting booster

She did also say that they are learning as this pandemic plays out. Hard research won’t show up until few years out on all this vaccination effectiveness, etc
Similar to FDA approved drugs & then a few years later a drug recall

All I can say is I hope we are not headed for another shutdown with this faster spread variant

[c3products20]

At what point do these people realize that the virus isn't going anywhere????? These idiots act like the virus is going to magically disappear if everyone gets vaccinated!! News flash, vaccinated people still get the virus and spread the virus! It's just like the flu and we will probably have to deal with this thing for years years to come..... If you feel like the vaccine is going to elongate your life, get it! Just because you think that is true for your situation it may not be true for my life so shut up about it! Either way, it's none of your business if I got the HPV vaccine or the Covid vaccine so don't worry about what I'm doing!

[Duckologist]

So like I said, they don't know if you got the "variant" or not

[HuntForHorns]

I didn’t won’t to create another Covid thread but in efforts to not derail the hospital vacc mandate thread talking about the delta variant & they don’t have a definitive test. I thought I would share knowledge from my sister who is normally up to date on her research.

Basically for any virus with time it will mutate in efforts to survive
When spikes in cases originated in India & UK, scientist noticed a mutation & hence the new “variant” in which they named it (delta) for whatever reason
She mentioned that with these cases they noticed a higher viral load (concentration) in the nasal & throat areas of these patients which is the reason why it has a higher transmission rate than the initial strain out of China
So basically they are seeing a faster spread due to the higher load with higher transmission rate
This is why we are seeing a more pressured push of the vaccine due to the risk of faster spread (which I hope doesn’t mean another shutdown or stay at home orders)
She did also mention many of the cases of vaccinated folks still contracting it are typically patients who were vaccinated 6+ months ago
She did say that you never have 100% coverage on prevention and with time your resistance is lower and hence why risk of contracting increases with time following the vaccine…hence the topic of a booster potentially needed

My brother also told me he was off for 4 days from the hospital he works at and he returned today and their cases had doubled in those 4 days he was off. He said he didn’t even get to eat today they were so busy

Hope this helps

Thanks for the first hand information. What your sister says makes sense. I still haven't made up my mind on the vaccination, but your info, and all other first hand info I read on this site helps.

In the mean time I am stocked up on ivermectin should my family need it.

[Bucknaked]

Quit watching local news and TV channels along with msm! They are pushing all of this crap and mouth breathers are watching it like zombies ! Fear, fear, fear!

[HogHunter34]

So like I said, they don't know if you got the "variant" or not

Correct. It’s an assumption based on the new mutated study of new cases that have arised as well as the transmission rate they are seeing with the ramp up in the current spread

They can do a genomic test to validate but it’s not cost effective given the number of cases. At this point, it’s treat it best we can & vaccinate with the hopes of slowing the spread

[HogHunter34]

Quit watching local news and TV channels along with msm! They are pushing all of this crap and mouth breathers are watching it like zombies ! Fear, fear, fear!

That’s why I thought I would share recent knowledge & experience and what is known & unknown direct from medical professionals I’m related to because I’ve asked a lot of the same questions I’ve seen circulating here

[47]

The thing they've gone near silent on is the DEATH rate. Because it's way down even with the dreaded DELTA variant.

[Sticks&Strings]

This has been exactly my thoughts. I had an old football coach tell me this week that he cant people arent getting the vaccine and it was selfish. I asked him how? If you have the vaccine and wear a mask, per the gubmt, you are protected. So how do I put you at risk? He didnt have an answer. I told him you cant have both. Either the vaccine and mask protect you, or it doesnt. My vaccination status shouldn't effect someone else. I told him I wasn't anti vaccination, but I hadn't seen anything that made sense to me to get it. Also, I have turned off the news for the last 9 months and I haven't had any Covid or racist issues. Amazing! And I'm happier! I'm healthy and I like all people.

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[OldRiverRat]

I think the booster shot discussion is based around the study of how many vaccinated are still contracting as well as spikes in new cases. If it becomes more controlled per CDC stats then booster shots may not be required

Yeah I ain’t getting booster

She did also say that they are learning as this pandemic plays out. Hard research won’t show up until few years out on all this vaccination effectiveness, etc
Similar to FDA approved drugs & then a few years later a drug recall

All I can say is I hope we are not headed for another shutdown with this faster spread variant

Lock downs were proven to be counterproductive and to not work so if anyone calls for lockdowns then you should know it has nothing to do with the virus.
The fact is this is just round two and nothing has changed other than the fact that we have more data to work with. The virus isn’t going away and the best solution is natural immunity and we will only get there if people get out of the way and let it do it’s thing. People are going to die. However more people have died of the unintended consequences of govt getting involved and now we have millions upon millions of people with a drug in their system that no one knows the long term effect of and it doesn’t seem to be working too well.
Mortality rate is the only fact I’m really interested in and until it hits a significant number we should continue living a normal life


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