A Question for "critical thinkers"..

[rockyraider]

My personal belief is that China released the virus in an effort to unseat Trump and to put Biden in the White House. There is no way China liked how Trump was calling them out, placing tariffs on their goods, calling out NATO, and on and on. China needed to unseat Trump to regain its place on the world stage. Trump was a direct threat to China's power structure. They knew that Biden is a worthless, feckless, mindless, figure head that they would have their way with. It was made to give the impression that the virus was likely an accidental escape, even though they continue to stick with the BS story about bats/market. China can't be that dumb to think that our intel services and government would actually believe that. I think China is fine with the underlying, widely accepted, yet still denied narrative that it was an accidental escape all the while it was intentionally released. Think about it, everyone knows that something like this was a guaranteed lose/lose for a sitting US President, even though Trump did a good job handling it. It was a win/win for the Chinese any way you slice it, cripple the US economy, unseat Trump, usher in the dumbest President in American history, etc...

[HoustonHunter94]

My personal belief is that China released the virus in an effort to unseat Trump and to put Biden in the White House. There is no way China liked how Trump was calling them out, placing tariffs on their goods, calling out NATO, and on and on. China needed to unseat Trump to regain its place on the world stage. Trump was a direct threat to China's power structure. They knew that Biden is a worthless, feckless, mindless, figure head that they would have their way with. It was made to give the impression that the virus was likely an accidental escape, even though they continue to stick with the BS story about bats/market. China can't be that dumb to think that our intel services and government would actually believe that. I think China is fine with the underlying, widely accepted, yet still denied narrative that it was an accidental escape all the while it was intentionally released. Think about it, everyone knows that something like this was a guaranteed lose/lose for a sitting US President, even though Trump did a good job handling it. It was a win/win for the Chinese any way you slice it, cripple the US economy, unseat Trump, usher in the dumbest President in American history, etc...

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[txpitdog]

My personal belief is that China released the virus in an effort to unseat Trump and to put Biden in the White House. There is no way China liked how Trump was calling them out, placing tariffs on their goods, calling out NATO, and on and on. China needed to unseat Trump to regain its place on the world stage. Trump was a direct threat to China's power structure. They knew that Biden is a worthless, feckless, mindless, figure head that they would have their way with. It was made to give the impression that the virus was likely an accidental escape, even though they continue to stick with the BS story about bats/market. China can't be that dumb to think that our intel services and government would actually believe that. I think China is fine with the underlying, widely accepted, yet still denied narrative that it was an accidental escape all the while it was intentionally released. Think about it, everyone knows that something like this was a guaranteed lose/lose for a sitting US President, even though Trump did a good job handling it. It was a win/win for the Chinese any way you slice it, cripple the US economy, unseat Trump, usher in the dumbest President in American history, etc...

Maybe they released it as retaliation, but at the time it was released, Biden wasn’t a clear pick for the nomination. Further, if Trump had been a stronger leader, he would have unified the nation to work together. He could have played it differently than he chose to and come out of it absolutely destroying anything the DNC had to offer. Trump was kicking butt strategically up until about June. He was visible, transparent, and showing the kind of leadership we’d expect. Then he began publicly turning on his own experts, yet again, and the whole thing devolved from there. China didn’t unseat Trump, Trump did.

[PondPopper]

Maybe they released it as retaliation, but at the time it was released, Biden wasn’t a clear pick for the nomination. Further, if Trump had been a stronger leader, he would have unified the nation to work together. He could have played it differently than he chose to and come out of it absolutely destroying anything the DNC had to offer. Trump was kicking butt strategically up until about June. He was visible, transparent, and showing the kind of leadership we’d expect. Then he began publicly turning on his own experts, yet again, and the whole thing devolved from there. China didn’t unseat Trump, Trump did.

By you last sentence it appears that you think the election was legit???

[txpitdog]

By you last sentence it appears that you think the election was legit???

That My opinion on that doesn’t really matter, because Trump played the game poorly and put himself in a position for them to take a shot at it, if that’s what happened. From August through the first debate through allowing himself to be recorded with the Georgia election committee, Trump made a series of leadership, tactical, and strategic errors that cost him. He could have played things differently and come through the pandemic like a champion.

[Playa]

Maybe they released it as retaliation, but at the time it was released, Biden wasn’t a clear pick for the nomination. Further, if Trump had been a stronger leader, he would have unified the nation to work together. He could have played it differently than he chose to and come out of it absolutely destroying anything the DNC had to offer. Trump was kicking butt strategically up until about June. He was visible, transparent, and showing the kind of leadership we’d expect. Then he began publicly turning on his own experts, yet again, and the whole thing devolved from there. China didn’t unseat Trump, Trump did.

I’ll twist it a bit differently... the virus was the product of the left and China, they both stood to gain immensely. The left regains power, China gets payback for tough economic policies and they both win. You are correct in that Biden was not a clear pick. The lead man didn’t matter, they would not be calling the shots anyway.

Did trump turn on his “experts” or did his experts turn on him? Remeber Fauci was the 1st to decline masks, then he made so many contradictions and direction changes. I’m not sure trump knew who he could trust, possibly because he could trust none of them.
I agree he didn’t exhibit the persona of a strong leader, and it’s a good point that had he displayed that in the 1st 3 years he could have capitalized on the crisis that was before him.
But as soon as I finish that thought, I remind myself that there is no legitimate way in hell that Biden garnered more votes than any prez in history. He can’t complete a sentence. And so I wrestle with, is there any way DJT would have won with Dem shenanigans at play?

[txpitdog]

I’ll twist it a bit differently... the virus was the product of the left and China, they both stood to gain immensely. The left regains power, China gets payback for tough economic policies and they both win. You are correct in that Biden was not a clear pick. The lead man didn’t matter, they would not be calling the shots anyway.

Did trump turn on his “experts” or did his experts turn on him? Remeber Fauci was the 1st to decline masks, then he made so many contradictions and direction changes. I’m not sure trump knew who he could trust, possibly because he could trust none of them.
I agree he didn’t exhibit the persona of a strong leader, and it’s a good point that had he displayed that in the 1st 3 years he could have capitalized on the crisis that was before him.
But as soon as I finish that thought, I remind myself that there is no legitimate way in hell that Biden garnered more votes than any prez in history. He can’t complete a sentence. And so I wrestle with, is there any way DJT would have won with Dem shenanigans at play?

One thing I wasn’t aware of that I just recently heard is that the message on face masks not being effective early on was due to the CDC’s fear that there would be a shortage for medical staff. Once the medical community had secured a supply, the message changed in support of masks. Ok so that’s a terrible strategy, but if it’s true, then it was an opportunity for Trump to step up and lead, secure supplies, create a National effort to lead the world by example to not only beat COVID but use the struggle to do so to renew patriotism. Instead we got buffoonery.

As for the “left” working with China, that’s an incredibly complicated conspiracy. In general it’s very easy to point the finger as an excuse, but the mechanics of making something like that happen without completely grenading your own families, party, etc. particularly when history shows that crises create leaders, man I just don’t have that much confidence in them to pull something like that off. If it was more deadly or not deadly at all, either way it gives Trump opportunity to lead. I’ll definitely go along with China releasing it intentionally, but as for how it affected the US worse than any other country, that part is our own **** fault.

[PondPopper]

It's obvious that Fauci was and is knee deep in the development of this deadly virus. It should also be obvious that it was a strategicly released..
The same as the illegal immigrant flood is also strategic.

What I want to know is what democrats and/or republican politicians were behind its development and release.. I am 100% positive that members of the swamp are behind both and they need to be exposed and held accountable..

[Playa]

One thing I wasn’t aware of that I just recently heard is that the message on face masks not being effective early on was due to the CDC’s fear that there would be a shortage for medical staff. Once the medical community had secured a supply, the message changed in support of masks. Ok so that’s a terrible strategy, but if it’s true, then it was an opportunity for Trump to step up and lead, secure supplies, create a National effort to lead the world by example to not only beat COVID but use the struggle to do so to renew patriotism. Instead we got buffoonery.

As for the “left” working with China, that’s an incredibly complicated conspiracy. In general it’s very easy to point the finger as an excuse, but the mechanics of making something like that happen without completely grenading your own families, party, etc. particularly when history shows that crises create leaders, man I just don’t have that much confidence in them to pull something like that off. If it was more deadly or not deadly at all, either way it gives Trump opportunity to lead. I’ll definitely go along with China releasing it intentionally, but as for how it affected the US worse than any other country, that part is our own **** fault.

A) it’s easy to go back to fill in your back story. Our factories in Asia were offering to send us masks as early as Feb. And if you buy that story, how do you reconcile Fauci stating within the last few days we should follow common sense?

B) let’s follow this common sense thread and interject some facts about the world wide impact... India has 994 MILLION more people and is a general craphole of a squalor. It also has less then 1/2 the cases as the US. The only logical explanation is that our stats have been padded for the benefit of someone

[PondPopper]

A) it’s easy to go back to fill in your back story. Our factories in Asia were offering to send us masks as early as Feb. And if you buy that story, how do you reconcile Fauci stating within the last few days we should follow common sense?

B) let’s follow this common sense thread and interject some facts about the world wide impact... India has 994 MILLION more people and is a general craphole of a squalor. It also has less then 1/2 the cases as the US. The only logical explanation is that our stats have been padded for the benefit of someone

"B" has always been frustrating to hear and a huge head scratcher for me because it should not even be possible under real circumstances.. All factors considered.. Somebody is lying.

[txpitdog]

A) it’s easy to go back to fill in your back story. Our factories in Asia were offering to send us masks as early as Feb. And if you buy that story, how do you reconcile Fauci stating within the last few days we should follow common sense?

B) let’s follow this common sense thread and interject some facts about the world wide impact... India has 994 MILLION more people and is a general craphole of a squalor. It also has less then 1/2 the cases as the US. The only logical explanation is that our stats have been padded for the benefit of someone

On A, Fauci to me has mismanaged his position. He has either truthfully offered the best advice possible but poorly explained how that guidance needed to change as new information became available OR he is a self-serving ****bird. If it’s the latter, then Trump was absolutely justified in kicking him to the curb. The problem though is that Trump offered no continuity, provided no foundation for people to understand their actual risk, and he didn’t rally the message except to politicize it.

On B, I think India is at risk of blasting past the US in the coming weeks. They are closing on 3000 deaths a day and increasing, and they are well past 300,000 cases per day. Now, how did they avoid the serious impact all last year except for the initial surge in the spring? I got no idea and haven’t invested any time finding out. But going back to the conspiracy approach, what purpose would India serve in justifying such an impact on the US? If it’s “mission accomplished” or it’s fake, why would India go bad now? I don’t have the answer but it is odd.

[rockyraider]

Maybe they released it as retaliation, but at the time it was released, Biden wasn’t a clear pick for the nomination. Further, if Trump had been a stronger leader, he would have unified the nation to work together. He could have played it differently than he chose to and come out of it absolutely destroying anything the DNC had to offer. Trump was kicking butt strategically up until about June. He was visible, transparent, and showing the kind of leadership we’d expect. Then he began publicly turning on his own experts, yet again, and the whole thing devolved from there. China didn’t unseat Trump, Trump did.

I agree, Biden wasn't necessarily the front runner at that point, but as stated, really didn't matter who the empty suit was, the Dems ran a bunch of absolute clowns. Really didn't matter if it was Biden, Bernie, or Ronald McDonald. Either way, they win because if it was a spineless Dem, China wins.

I agree with your other point and have said it for a long time now, Trump should have taken a different outward approach, even if it was done just to snowflakes feel better. Yes he was gruff, bristled at cowering to a virus, fought back at the likes of scarflady and fraudster Foucci, and on and on. He should have "comforted the nation" more and been a little more outwardly "passionate" to ease the snowflakes fears. That simply isn't Trump's personality and honestly, that's why most of us respected him as President. I think he did a great job, we need a commander in chief with big stones, not a crying, whimpering weakling like typical Dem. Unfortunately, the sheeple of the country saw Trump as a big meanie, someone who "laughed and thumbed his nose at their irrational fears", and they just couldn't handle that in their adolescent, child like minds.

[camoclad]

If the simple fact (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019...ry_World_Games) that the entire world (110 countries) was in Wuhan in october 2019 doesent tell the story, nothing will.

[PondPopper]

If the simple fact (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019...ry_World_Games) that the entire world (110 countries) was in Wuhan in october 2019 doesent tell the story, nothing will.

Hmm.. But If it were this easy then what's with all of the lies, secrecy, smoke and mirrors, and top secret classification..

[IkemanTX]

Hmm.. But If it were this easy then what's with all of the lies, secrecy, smoke and mirrors, and top secret classification..

I’ll just say that I firmly believe it came from the Wuhan lab, but I’m not convinced that it wasn’t just crappy policies causing an accidental release instead of some grand conspiracy.

As to why they won’t admit it... the Chinese government would potentially be liable for restitution of some sort. In fact, if the info was declassified and clearly showed it was unintentionally released from the lab, the world would demand some kind of compensation. Too many of our politicians are in bed with China and wouldn’t do anything to jeopardize their cash cow. Also, China is immensely focused on its image, and would never tolerate the public look of paying some price for their mistake. I honestly think that China would start a war before bowing to that kind of public chastisement.


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