H.R. 7120. (George Floyd act)

[twobanger]

Alcohol can, do cigarettes and snuff?


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lol.

Yeah they do. Since the mid nineties I’ve delivered them to convenience stores and others for a living. Most of those years were spent working overnights in Oak Cliff, SE Dallas, Pleasant Grove, the Wards of Houston, Sunnyside etc to punch above my seniority level, I started back when gangster rap ruled the world “being real” was being pushed from pop culture, and no one had even dreamed of gentrifying anything. From simple rip-offs to being robbed like in the movies by a robbery crew, I’ve been there.

The problem with Qualified Immunity is that to overcome it, the exact same issue has to have been already ruled on by the courts and have established case law. Since, for example, no court has ruled that [insert issue] is not allowed then cops simply say I didn’t know I couldn’t do this and the courts ask the plaintiff where is the case law saying that the cops couldn’t do what you’re in court for and the plaintiff can’t give an example because it’s never been ruled on and the case is dismissed, so the issue is never allowed to be decided and case law on it can never be established.

[ram04]

I can see both sides to this. I don't think legalizing drugs is the answer, but am all for helping those in need via homes, GED programs, employment opportunities. One thing I know for sure, what we're doing now and for the last 60 years is NOT working, in fact, I would say we're moving backwards. Something has to change. What? I don't have that answer, I think that's why we're having this discussion.

I know I'm a nobody here, so take this for what it's worth. I've known ram04 for 30+ years, in fact, he was in my wedding and I in his. One of the absolute best guys you'll ever meet. (Pretty good with a rod and reel too, but don't tell him I said that. Think he's part trout) I can assure you he is far from a liberal, and extremely far from an enemy of anyone here's way of thinking/lifestyle.

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Thanks buddy, you and I have made a few of the mistakes I mentioned earlier together lol. Worst part about discussion on the internet, hard to not lower the sword due to not having personal reaction as you do in face to face conversation.

[MBV77]

lol.

Yeah they do. Since the mid nineties I’ve delivered them to convenience stores and others for a living. Most of those years were spent working overnights in Oak Cliff, SE Dallas, Pleasant Grove, the Wards of Houston, Sunnyside etc to punch above my seniority level, I started back when gangster rap ruled the world “being real” was being pushed from pop culture, and no one had even dreamed of gentrifying anything. From simple rip-offs to being robbed like in the movies by a robbery crew, I’ve been there.

The problem with Qualified Immunity is that to overcome it, the exact same issue has to have been already ruled on by the courts and have established case law. Since, for example, no court has ruled that [insert issue] is not allowed then cops simply say I didn’t know I couldn’t do this and the courts ask the plaintiff where is the case law saying that the cops couldn’t do what you’re in court for and the plaintiff can’t give an example because it’s never been ruled on and the case is dismissed, so the issue is never allowed to be decided and case law on it can never be established.

Not sure I follow exactly what you’re saying other than you were maybe robbed delivering cigarettes? People have been killed for their shoes in those areas too. I don’t think you’re following the gist of this conversation.


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[LivinADream]

Thanks buddy, you and I have made a few of the mistakes I mentioned earlier together lol. Worst part about discussion on the internet, hard to not lower the sword due to not having personal reaction as you do in face to face conversation.

Yeah we have, both were fortunate to pull out on the good side. And for sure convo on the net sucks vs. face to face.

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[Traildust]

Welp, this dude was pulled over by HCSD, had a bag of weed in his truck, ticketed and let go. Then went on the kill 3 people. That would never had happened to a white guy.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/03/17/man-accused-in-fiery-crash-that-killed-mother-3-children-makes-first-court-appearance/

[rtp]

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well it must be a duck. Just sayin.

[ram04]

What are you two trying to say exactly?

[eastover53]

Welp, this dude was pulled over by HCSD, had a bag of weed in his truck, ticketed and let go. Then went on the kill 3 people. That would never had happened to a white guy.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/l...rt-appearance/

The article says he was drunk, if I'm reading it correctly.

"According to Harris County officials, Canada was drunk with a blood-alcohol level of at least .15 when he slammed into another car, killing a mother and her three children. The fiery crash resulted in a seven-car pileup on Sunday night."

[MadHatter]

The article says he was drunk, if I'm reading it correctly.

"According to Harris County officials, Canada was drunk with a blood-alcohol level of at least .15 when he slammed into another car, killing a mother and her three children. The fiery crash resulted in a seven-car pileup on Sunday night."

You don't say

[Traildust]

The article says he was drunk, if I'm reading it correctly.

"According to Harris County officials, Canada was drunk with a blood-alcohol level of at least .15 when he slammed into another car, killing a mother and her three children. The fiery crash resulted in a seven-car pileup on Sunday night."

Yep, but he was stopped a few minutes earlier.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/daniel-canada-suspect-in-crash-that-killed-mother-3-kids-was-pulled-over-shortly-before-crash/285-0243f5ba-f58c-46f2-9781-40b5de4f28f1

[CWendling]

The problem with Qualified Immunity is that to overcome it, the exact same issue has to have been already ruled on by the courts and have established case law. Since, for example, no court has ruled that [insert issue] is not allowed then cops simply say I didn’t know I couldn’t do this and the courts ask the plaintiff where is the case law saying that the cops couldn’t do what you’re in court for and the plaintiff can’t give an example because it’s never been ruled on and the case is dismissed, so the issue is never allowed to be decided and case law on it can never be established.

Not exactly true. Officer has to violate clearly established law to be held personally liable. Prior cases are often used to determine if it was clearly established, but that is not the only legal test. Cases do not automatically get QI if it is clearly obvious that no reasonable officer would consider their actions constitutional.
Ill put it in perspective for some. In Texas, anyone has the right to protect and recover property from another to prevent the consequences of theft. You also have the right to use force, up to and including deadly force if it is believed anothers life is in danger. However, time and again when speaking to non-leo or hearing it in license to carry classes, it is the common saying to 'not get involved if its not you or your loved ones'. The reason being you dont want to open yourself up to civil liability.
If QI is taken away, then LEO can be personally sued, justifiably for not, for anything they do at any time. Just because someone didnt like the outcome. How many officers do you think will still go out and be proactive or try to stop people at that time? Its already clearly established law that police have no legal mandate to protect you or your property. Most departments already dont pursue for most offenses unless its a violent felony.
House broken into and the suspect speeds away? No pursuit
Business burglarized and all your money stolen? No pursuit.
Those are property crimes to many departments. Not worth the liability of a vehicle pursuit. Some departments dont even allow foot pursuits anymore.
Its all getting one step closer to federal police.

[ram04]

Yep, but he was stopped a few minutes earlier.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/cr...1-40b5de4f28f1

So what is your angle with the “this wouldn’t have happened to a white man”?

[Traildust]

So what is your angle with the “this wouldn’t have happened to a white man”?

White people never get off of DWI's

[ram04]

Lol for real? I have gotten off of a couple and I’m pretty white, mass generalization never really works when making a point.

[Traildust]

Lol for real? I have gotten off of a couple and I’m pretty white, mass generalization never really works when making a point.

You're slinging a bunch of stupid shiat, figure I would too.