True Conspiracies

[donpablo]

Conspiracy theorists are catching a lot of flack these days but, as I've posted on here before, anyone who know a little bit about history understands why many of these theories are believable. We often assume our fellow Americans are familiar with these historical travesties but after having to explain the Tuskegee experiments to my wife, I'm reminded that such is not the case. I thought this might be a good spot to educate some of our TBH brethren.

Since I already mentioned the Tuskegee experiments might as well start there. As a program to study Syphilis, the US government secretly studied black Americans with Syphilis and to further the study kept them in the dark about the disease and prevented them from receiving treatment. Many passed the disease onto spouses who often bore infected children. They were left untreated and suffered many horrible effects from the disease including death.

One of the researchers involved had also purposely infected Guatemalans to study the disease for the American government previously before working on the Tuskegee experiments.

https://www.history.com/news/the-infamous-40-year-tuskegee-study

Ok, who's next?

[SabineHunter]

The history I want to post is that the United States has done more to help others in need, including foreign countries. When we bombed Japan and Germany into oblivion, we also rebuilt them where they where better than before. There is a reason millions of people of flocked to the US and not other countries in the world. The reason is the US is the best nation in the world.

[SmTx]

The history I want to post is that the United States has done more to help others in need, including foreign countries. When we bombed Japan and Germany into oblivion, we also rebuilt them where they where better than before. There is a reason millions of people of flocked to the US and not other countries in the world. The reason is the US is the best nation in the world.

Boy this is a goal post shift.

OP's thread is about the gov't doing things on it's own citizens and aid for foreign countries is brought up??

[Pineywoods]

Here's some I found...

THE GOVERNMENT POISONED ALCOHOL DURING PROHIBITION.

Just because the government made booze illegal doesn't mean people stopped drinking during Prohibition. But when those who chose to get tipsy started dying, accusations flew that the government was poisoning alcohol to enforce Prohibition. “When the government puts poison into alcohol, a large percentage of which the government knows will ultimately be consumed for beverage purposes, such action is reprehensible and tends to defeat the very purpose of prohibition,” a 1926 issue of The Camden Morning Post opined. A number of people, including a senator, put the blame for the deaths firmly at the hands of the government, and said that the practice was, essentially, "legalizing murder."

In fact, the government was poisoning alcohol, and freely admitted to it—and even published an entire short book on the subject. However, according to the government, the purpose wasn't to enforce Prohibition, but for Federal Revenue purposes: Booze meant for consumption would have to be taxed, but denatured booze was tax-free.

In 1906, Congress passed the first tax-free denatured alcohol act, which was designed to safeguard industries that required industrial alcohol. In order to keep suppling the industries that required alcohol, the government began to denature the alcohol (adding something to make the alcohol unfit for consumption) to make it “wholly unfit for beverage purposes.”

After reports of several deaths in the 1926 holiday season, the poisoning became an increasingly controversial tactic, though the government denied that their denaturing of the alcohol had anything to do with it. According to a 1929 Congressional Record, an expert who testified regarding deaths in New York City said that “There was not the slightest evidence adduced at any point, so far as I am aware, that these deaths were caused by industrial alcohol, either in the form in which it was denatured under Government supervision or after it had been manipulated by criminals.” Instead, the expert said, the deaths were caused by drinking straight wood alcohol. In the Minerva's Mail column in Nebraska's The Lincoln Star, Minerva drove the point home, saying, "The thing that kills the unfortunate, who in his craving will drink anything, is the alcohol itself in its raw state ... it is hard and raw and disastrous in its effects on the stomach."

AMERICAN SCIENTISTS MILITARIZED THE WEATHER.

As part of their 2014 book, American Conspiracy Theories, Joseph Uscinski and Joseph Parent trawled through thousands of letters to the editors from over a century of newspapers to determine which ones had a conspiratorial slant to them. The letters either proposed a conspiracy or argued against a conspiracy that seemed to be in the air at the time. They found writers proposing or debunking conspirators as diverse as the Boers, conservationists, both Theodore and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and even the Prime Minister of Malta. One of the letters they discuss is a 1958 comment about “American scientists trying to find [a] method for controlling the weather.”

In the 1950s, controlling the weather was a major topic of discussion: There were Congressional hearings and articles in major publications about how such a thing might be possible. In 1963, Fidel Castro accused the United States of weaponizing Hurricane Flora, which killed at least a thousand people in Cuba. According to an article in a 1958 issue of Popular Science, American scientists worried that “[t]he Russians may be ahead of us in weather control.”

Publicly, weather modification was moving merrily along—and the threat of weather warfare was being downplayed. One expert during this time reassured a Senate Select Committee, “I would like ... to emphasize again that I consider it highly improbable that advances in the science of weather modification will make possible any extensive use of 'weather warfare.’” The expert cautioned that it couldn’t be completely ruled out, however, and said more research was needed.

Years later, rumors began emerging of weather warfare in the Vietnam War, with a 1972 Science article saying, “For the past year, rumors and speculation, along with occasional bits of circumstantial evidence, have accumulated in Washington to the effect that the military has tried to increase rainfall in Indochina to hinder enemy infiltration into South Vietnam.” But Nixon’s Secretary of Defense, Melvin Laird, flatly told a senator “we have never engaged in that type of activity over North Vietnam.”

It didn’t take long for people to recognize that this was not a denial of potential activity in Laos, Cambodia, or South Vietnam. While the senator didn’t follow up with Laird, reporters asked a Pentagon spokesperson, who also denied rain-making over North Vietnam. But when pressed about other regions, the spokesperson responded, "I can't enlarge on that.”

In 1974, they were forced to. That year, the government admitted to attempting to make it rain to slow down movement along the Ho Chi Minh trail, and Laird apologized for misleading Congress, saying that he had “never approved” the efforts. The New York Times also reported he wrote a 1974 letter to a subcommittee saying, contrary to his earlier denials, he had “just been informed ... such activities were conducted over North Vietnam in 1967 and again in 1968.”

[Texas452]

Boy this is a goal post shift.

OP's thread is about the gov't doing things on it's own citizens and aid for foreign countries is brought up??

Lol
We might be flocking away from here before long!

[donpablo]

The US is the best nation in the world.

I agree that we are but also believe that its unwise to completely trust the government, regardless of who's in power.

[donpablo]

AMERICAN SCIENTISTS MILITARIZED THE WEATHER.[/B]

As part of their 2014 book, American Conspiracy Theories, Joseph Uscinski and Joseph Parent trawled through thousands of letters to the editors from over a century of newspapers to determine which ones had a conspiratorial slant to them. The letters either proposed a conspiracy or argued against a conspiracy that seemed to be in the air at the time. They found writers proposing or debunking conspirators as diverse as the Boers, conservationists, both Theodore and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and even the Prime Minister of Malta. One of the letters they discuss is a 1958 comment about “American scientists trying to find [a] method for controlling the weather.”

In the 1950s, controlling the weather was a major topic of discussion: There were Congressional hearings and articles in major publications about how such a thing might be possible. In 1963, Fidel Castro accused the United States of weaponizing Hurricane Flora, which killed at least a thousand people in Cuba. According to an article in a 1958 issue of Popular Science, American scientists worried that “[t]he Russians may be ahead of us in weather control.”

Publicly, weather modification was moving merrily along—and the threat of weather warfare was being downplayed. One expert during this time reassured a Senate Select Committee, “I would like ... to emphasize again that I consider it highly improbable that advances in the science of weather modification will make possible any extensive use of 'weather warfare.’” The expert cautioned that it couldn’t be completely ruled out, however, and said more research was needed.

Years later, rumors began emerging of weather warfare in the Vietnam War, with a 1972 Science article saying, “For the past year, rumors and speculation, along with occasional bits of circumstantial evidence, have accumulated in Washington to the effect that the military has tried to increase rainfall in Indochina to hinder enemy infiltration into South Vietnam.” But Nixon’s Secretary of Defense, Melvin Laird, flatly told a senator “we have never engaged in that type of activity over North Vietnam.”

It didn’t take long for people to recognize that this was not a denial of potential activity in Laos, Cambodia, or South Vietnam. While the senator didn’t follow up with Laird, reporters asked a Pentagon spokesperson, who also denied rain-making over North Vietnam. But when pressed about other regions, the spokesperson responded, "I can't enlarge on that.”

In 1974, they were forced to. That year, the government admitted to attempting to make it rain to slow down movement along the Ho Chi Minh trail, and Laird apologized for misleading Congress, saying that he had “never approved” the efforts. The New York Times also reported he wrote a 1974 letter to a subcommittee saying, contrary to his earlier denials, he had “just been informed ... such activities were conducted over North Vietnam in 1967 and again in 1968.”

I read an article the other day about how similar technology is being developed to combat climate change but critics are worried about how doing so in some areas could affect neighboring areas or even create a domino effect that would reach around the globe.

[S-3 Ranch]

I know a agronomist that works for some government agencies that travels the world as a rice species specialist, that supports types of rice that yields 1/3+ better yields we sell to foreign countries, but are outlawed in the USA for market stabilization, it’s criminal that our government is conspiring to suppress USA farmers for foreign policy

[Playa]

Atomic veterans

https://www.stripes.com/news/special-reports/conspiracy-of-silence-veterans-exposed-to-atomic-tests-wage-final-fight-1.585789

[OldRiverRat]

I read an article the other day about how similar technology is being developed to combat climate change but critics are worried about how doing so in some areas could affect neighboring areas or even create a domino effect that would reach around the globe.

Anything that govt touches goes to crap
Additionally when man’s ego is so big that it thinks it can control Mother Nature (God) they have crossed a line and the results will be worse than the problem they claim to be solving


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[donpablo]

Atomic veterans

https://www.stripes.com/news/special...fight-1.585789

Wow. Never knew about that one.

Anything that govt touches goes to crap
Additionally when man’s ego is so big that it thinks it can control Mother Nature (God) they have crossed a line and the results will be worse than the problem they claim to be solving


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I can't say I disagree.

[donpablo]

Agitators

Another one that has surfaced lately is the idea that there are/have been paid agitators at protests throughout the US. This has been suggested about both BLM protests as well as the recent "capitol insurgency." I believe the idea is more than plausible because this is a tactic that the US government (as well as others) has been using for around a century. As I've mentioned before, Iran was well on its way to becoming an American-loving democracy in the 50s. However, using paid agitators, the British government (with the help of the US) staged a protest that the agitators turned into a riot that they then used to stage a coup. Even though the regular citizens were not protesting with the intent to riot, it was not hard for the agitators to manipulate them and the situation to achieve the results they'd been paid to deliver.

[muzzlebrake]

One only has to see the results of the last presidential election to know that conspiracies are real. There are a lot and I mean a LOT of bad people in our government and it's gonna get a lot worse. Most of us are nothing more than lab rats to the elite.

[diamond10x]

Project mockingbird. You see it all day on every news station.

[EarleyBird]

Boy this is a goal post shift.

OP's thread is about the gov't doing things on it's own citizens and aid for foreign countries is brought up??

Yep, that SH dude is about as confused as one can be.