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    #61
    I think the problem we will have with a republican outsider running for President again is that who is going to do it? Trump was successful because he didn’t rely on huge campaign donations and money from special interest groups to fund his campaign. Therefore he didn’t cave to political pressure from donors and special interest groups. What republican billionaire is going to run next? Most any republican going forward will have to have monetary support from corporations and large donors, therefore just repeating the cycle of the same old politicians we’ve seen time and time again. They say one thing to get elected, then they serve at the whim of their super pacs and special interest lobbyists

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      #62
      Originally posted by TheBeekeeper View Post
      60 Judges believed there was no fraud, all the flipped state AGs believed there was no fraud, the federal authorities believed there was no fraud.

      But you have no idea who I am, so go to the primary sources and review it in depth.
      A good starting point is

      From there you can get the court filings, read the briefs, and the rulings.

      For the CISA report from the Fed that Trump appointed, declaring it the most secure in US history, you can read it here.
      The members of Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee – Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Assistant Director Bob Kolasky, U.S. Election Assistance Commission Chair Benjamin Hovland, National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS) President Maggie Toulouse Oliver, National Association of State Election Directors (NASED) President Lori Augino, and Escambia County (Florida) Supervisor of Elections David Stafford – and the members of the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (SCC) – Chair Brian Hancock (Unisyn Voting Solutions), Vice Chair Sam Derheimer (Hart InterCivic), Chris Wlaschin (Election Systems & Software), Ericka Haas (Electronic Registration Information Center), and Maria Bianchi (Democracy Works) - released the following statement.


      Look, Trump lost simply because he didn't have enough votes.

      The polls shows that Trump was behind for months. His approval ratings never got over 50% for 4 years, they were abysmal when compared to the last 12 presidents. With all those indicators in plain sight, you shouldn't have been surprised when he lost badly.

      https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6179.html

      Let's address your ignorance one point at a time.

      1. Court Cases - 90% of the Judges never allowed evidence to be presented, they simply dismissed the case based on lack of standing or lack of jurisdiction. Multiple states refused to allow forensic analysis of voting tabulators, and those that were analyzed were found to have been compromised. (Try reading the details of the cases, not biased Wikitard summaries)

      https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2...ensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

      2. The CISA report - On Sept. 30, 2020 the Inspector GeneralÂ’s office reported that of three major Homeland Security offices audited, CISA had the lowest scores by far for information security, a remarkable irony given the agencyÂ’s cybersecurity mission. CISA earned the lowest rating of 1 in four of the six categories studied. In contrast, fellow agencies Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Customs and Border Patrol (CPB) achieved a score of 4 or 5 in all but two of the categories.

      “CISA’s overall information security program was not effective,” the inspector general reported, scolding the agency for having “not yet developed component specific policies, procedures, and business processes as required by DHS policy.”



      In late October, just a couple of weeks before the Nov. 3 election, the inspector generalÂ’s office sounded another warning, reporting that while CISA had done a good job securing voting software systems from cybersecurity penetration it had substantially ignored the physical security of polling and vote counting places.



      3. "His approval ratings never got over 50% for 4 years, they were abysmal when compared to the last 12 presidents." - Another abysmal failure in intellectual honesty on your part.

      Trump's approval rating broke 50% in mid Sept 2020 and was 52% on 2 Nov 2020.

      Obama's approval rating was only 50% on 5 Nov 2012.

      Trumps average currently sits at 48.1

      "Obama's overall average approval rating was a dismal 47.9%.

      Only three presidents scored worse than Obama since Gallup started doing these surveys in 1945: never-elected Gerald Ford (47.2%), one-termer Jimmy Carter (45.4%), and Harry Truman (45.4%)."

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        #63
        Originally posted by OldRiverRat View Post
        Their careers were over before they voted. Tell me why anyone would be motivated to vote for a Republican in the future? Dems will win in landslides next round


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        Unfortunately if they get away with this election steal our vote will never count again and we will be a communist country very quick. pray for America

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          #64
          Originally posted by etbowhunter View Post
          This impeachment is not about what happened at the capital. It's about making an example to the next "outsider" that decides to run for office. This is all about vengeance for the governed having the audacity to challenge the ruling class.
          If you want to see what the future of the US looks like, check out Cuba and Venezuela. They just got there faster than we did.
          Yeah, but we're gonna post record numbers as far as how quick you get to the endgame.
          I believe what took them yrs and yrs, we will accomplish it literally overnight.

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            #65
            Originally posted by Rutersville View Post
            Let's address your ignorance one point at a time.

            1. Court Cases - 90% of the Judges never allowed evidence to be presented, they simply dismissed the case based on lack of standing or lack of jurisdiction. Multiple states refused to allow forensic analysis of voting tabulators, and those that were analyzed were found to have been compromised. (Try reading the details of the cases, not biased Wikitard summaries)

            https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2...ensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

            2. The CISA report - On Sept. 30, 2020 the Inspector GeneralÂ’s office reported that of three major Homeland Security offices audited, CISA had the lowest scores by far for information security, a remarkable irony given the agencyÂ’s cybersecurity mission. CISA earned the lowest rating of 1 in four of the six categories studied. In contrast, fellow agencies Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Customs and Border Patrol (CPB) achieved a score of 4 or 5 in all but two of the categories.

            “CISA’s overall information security program was not effective,” the inspector general reported, scolding the agency for having “not yet developed component specific policies, procedures, and business processes as required by DHS policy.”



            In late October, just a couple of weeks before the Nov. 3 election, the inspector generalÂ’s office sounded another warning, reporting that while CISA had done a good job securing voting software systems from cybersecurity penetration it had substantially ignored the physical security of polling and vote counting places.



            3. "His approval ratings never got over 50% for 4 years, they were abysmal when compared to the last 12 presidents." - Another abysmal failure in intellectual honesty on your part.

            Trump's approval rating broke 50% in mid Sept 2020 and was 52% on 2 Nov 2020.

            Obama's approval rating was only 50% on 5 Nov 2012.

            Trumps average currently sits at 48.1

            "Obama's overall average approval rating was a dismal 47.9%.

            Only three presidents scored worse than Obama since Gallup started doing these surveys in 1945: never-elected Gerald Ford (47.2%), one-termer Jimmy Carter (45.4%), and Harry Truman (45.4%)."
            Let me address these points one at a time.

            1:
            That interesting report you pointed out has been debunked.

            The county and state refute it.


            And Dominion address the inaccuracies here:
            Company News Legal Updates | Setting the Record Straight: Facts & Rumors | Return to Company News June 24, 2021 About the Debunked Antrim County “Forensic Audit” Report A hand count of paper ballots in Antrim County, Michigan, verified the accuracy of election results for the 2020 election, thereby refuting viral claims from a severely ... Read more


            The author himself was somewhat, but not totally discredited. More on that is here.


            Which explains why Judges ignored it.

            2:
            Krebs said it was "the most secure election in American history"
            and
            "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."
            The members of Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee – Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Assistant Director Bob Kolasky, U.S. Election Assistance Commission Chair Benjamin Hovland, National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS) President Maggie Toulouse Oliver, National Association of State Election Directors (NASED) President Lori Augino, and Escambia County (Florida) Supervisor of Elections David Stafford – and the members of the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (SCC) – Chair Brian Hancock (Unisyn Voting Solutions), Vice Chair Sam Derheimer (Hart InterCivic), Chris Wlaschin (Election Systems & Software), Ericka Haas (Electronic Registration Information Center), and Maria Bianchi (Democracy Works) - released the following statement.


            If you wish to dredge up his 2nd grade scorecard and tell me he's a bad boy, feel free. But I ignore Ad Hominem attack arguments.

            3:
            Nope, highest RCP average score was 47.3% it looks like
            Bear in mind this is the average, this mitigates outlier effects. An individual poll may have been higher but I'm clearly referencing a more meaning average by RCP.



            A very nice data visualization of Trump to other presidents is at the bottom of this page by 538. Therein shows the warning signs of his re-election prospects.
            ABC News is your trusted source on political news stories and videos. Get the latest coverage and analysis on everything from the Trump presidency, Senate, House and Supreme Court.


            4: The Bonus

            In forecasting, we must be careful to avoid Belief Perseverance. It is dangerous, as our culture builds in a bias that changing ones mind is dishonorable. But as forecasters we must change our mind with the introduction of new information.

            Last edited by TheBeekeeper; 01-14-2021, 12:22 PM. Reason: typos, it is always typos.

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              #66
              Originally posted by TheBeekeeper View Post
              Let me address these points one at a time.



              1:

              That interesting report you pointed out has been debunked.



              The county and state refute it.





              And Dominion address the inaccuracies here:

              Company News Legal Updates | Setting the Record Straight: Facts & Rumors | Return to Company News June 24, 2021 About the Debunked Antrim County “Forensic Audit” Report A hand count of paper ballots in Antrim County, Michigan, verified the accuracy of election results for the 2020 election, thereby refuting viral claims from a severely ... Read more




              The author himself was somewhat, but not totally discredited. More on that is here.





              Which explains why Judges ignored it.



              2:

              Krebs said it was "the most secure election in American history"

              and

              "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."

              The members of Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee – Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Assistant Director Bob Kolasky, U.S. Election Assistance Commission Chair Benjamin Hovland, National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS) President Maggie Toulouse Oliver, National Association of State Election Directors (NASED) President Lori Augino, and Escambia County (Florida) Supervisor of Elections David Stafford – and the members of the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (SCC) – Chair Brian Hancock (Unisyn Voting Solutions), Vice Chair Sam Derheimer (Hart InterCivic), Chris Wlaschin (Election Systems & Software), Ericka Haas (Electronic Registration Information Center), and Maria Bianchi (Democracy Works) - released the following statement.




              If you wish to dredge up his 2nd grade scorecard and tell me he's a bad boy, feel free. But I ignore Ad Hominem attack arguments.



              3:

              Nope, highest RCP average score was 47.3% it looks like

              Bear in mind this is the average, this mitigates outlier effects. An individual poll may have been higher but I'm clearly referencing a more meaning average by RCP.







              A very nice data visualization of Trump to other presidents is at the bottom of this page by 538. Therein shows the warning signs of his re-election prospects.

              ABC News is your trusted source on political news stories and videos. Get the latest coverage and analysis on everything from the Trump presidency, Senate, House and Supreme Court.




              4: The Bonus



              In forecasting, we must be careful to avoid Belief Perseverance. It is dangerous, as our culture builds in a bias that changing ones mind is dishonorable. But as forecasters we must change our mind with the introduction of new information.



              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_perseverance


              This post and the one being quoted just reinforces that you can find evidence to support most any argument that you support.

              Which one is correct is anyone’s guess. I suppose by human nature we choose the one that most closely aligns with our position.


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                #67
                Originally posted by Mike D View Post
                This post and the one being quoted just reinforces that you can find evidence to support most any argument that you support.

                Which one is correct is anyone’s guess. I suppose by human nature we choose the one that most closely aligns with our position.
                Yes, you can find someone who says the sun didn't set yesterday, and someone can say it did. One of them has better evidence.

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                  #68
                  Did the newby Antifa just post from the dominion site?[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by TheBeekeeper View Post
                    Let me address these points one at a time.

                    1:
                    That interesting report you pointed out has been debunked.

                    The county and state refute it.


                    And Dominion address the inaccuracies here:
                    Company News Legal Updates | Setting the Record Straight: Facts & Rumors | Return to Company News June 24, 2021 About the Debunked Antrim County “Forensic Audit” Report A hand count of paper ballots in Antrim County, Michigan, verified the accuracy of election results for the 2020 election, thereby refuting viral claims from a severely ... Read more


                    The author himself was somewhat, but not totally discredited. More on that is here.


                    Which explains why Judges ignored it.

                    2:
                    Krebs said it was "the most secure election in American history"
                    and
                    "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."
                    The members of Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee – Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Assistant Director Bob Kolasky, U.S. Election Assistance Commission Chair Benjamin Hovland, National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS) President Maggie Toulouse Oliver, National Association of State Election Directors (NASED) President Lori Augino, and Escambia County (Florida) Supervisor of Elections David Stafford – and the members of the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (SCC) – Chair Brian Hancock (Unisyn Voting Solutions), Vice Chair Sam Derheimer (Hart InterCivic), Chris Wlaschin (Election Systems & Software), Ericka Haas (Electronic Registration Information Center), and Maria Bianchi (Democracy Works) - released the following statement.


                    If you wish to dredge up his 2nd grade scorecard and tell me he's a bad boy, feel free. But I ignore Ad Hominem attack arguments.

                    3:
                    Nope, highest RCP average score was 47.3% it looks like
                    Bear in mind this is the average, this mitigates outlier effects. An individual poll may have been higher but I'm clearly referencing a more meaning average by RCP.



                    A very nice data visualization of Trump to other presidents is at the bottom of this page by 538. Therein shows the warning signs of his re-election prospects.
                    ABC News is your trusted source on political news stories and videos. Get the latest coverage and analysis on everything from the Trump presidency, Senate, House and Supreme Court.


                    4: The Bonus

                    In forecasting, we must be careful to avoid Belief Perseverance. It is dangerous, as our culture builds in a bias that changing ones mind is dishonorable. But as forecasters we must change our mind with the introduction of new information.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_perseverance
                    You are no different than a Qtard, same level of stupidity, different side of the aisle.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Rutersville View Post
                      You are no different than a Qtard, same level of stupidity, different side of the aisle.
                      This is known as a Ad Hominem attack.



                      Usually used by those who cannot debate or will not concede.

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by TheBeekeeper View Post
                        This is known as a Ad Hominem attack.



                        Usually used by those who cannot debate or will not concede.
                        Ad Hominem attack.
                        See it every day, In every thing political or religious

                        Viva Los Baha’i “ in unity “

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by TheBeekeeper View Post
                          This is known as a Ad Hominem attack.



                          Usually used by those who cannot debate or will not concede.

                          You are not worth our time!

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by Wtex View Post
                            If these dirtbags are not held accountable we will never have a fair shake in this country again. The first impeachment was over a lie and this one was ran through so fast the stenographer couldn't keep up. They impeach in three days but takes them 9 f-ing months to allow for relief to Americans that needed it. After they made sure that most small businesses had closed. This makes me sick.
                            Trump has not been impeached. He was found not guilty of the first "attempt" and this 2nd attempt will not succeed as it is bogus.

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by lovemylegacy View Post
                              Trump has not been impeached. He was found not guilty of the first "attempt" and this 2nd attempt will not succeed as it is bogus.
                              He has been impeached twice....he was found not guilty in the first one just like bill clinton
                              he will not be found guilty of the second one ONLY because there is not enough time

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by lovemylegacy View Post
                                Trump has not been impeached. He was found not guilty of the first "attempt" and this 2nd attempt will not succeed as it is bogus.
                                Originally posted by flywise View Post
                                He has been impeached twice....he was found not guilty in the first one just like bill clinton
                                he will not be found guilty of the second one ONLY because there is not enough time
                                You gotta admit he's a man before his time.
                                44 came before him and none of them have been able to do this!!!

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