Consequences for shooting in self defense but do not have CHL

[Olphart]

Off originator's topic but, for those that don't think a LTC is appropriate and constitutional carry should be the way, you must be okay with the mentally ill or convicted felons carrying weapons like you and everybody else. I mean, there's no limitations to who may carry, what, or how, or when. I'm not okay with that as I think most people aren't.

[muzzlebrake]

So what I understand is that if you are inside your vehicle and are being attacked or about to be attacked and in fear of your life, deadly force against the attacker is justified. That is the same defense as the castle doctrine of a person being inside their home and the law clearly states so. Doesn't mean you may not be arrested but at least you have a defense to prosecution. You could also face a civil lawsuit. It would be costly no matter what.

[tvc184]

Off originator's topic but, for those that don't think a LTC is appropriate and constitutional carry should be the way, you must be okay with the mentally ill or convicted felons carrying weapons like you and everybody else. I mean, there's no limitations to who may carry, what, or how, or when. I'm not okay with that as I think most people aren't.

Yep.

All rights come with limitations and always have.

I don’t like most gun laws however merely citing the Constitution doesn’t negate a law or any other rights issue. I keep waiting for the SCOTUS to make a ruling on handgun laws and removing restrictions but that may be a long wait.

[flywise]

A CDL has nothing to do with carrying a weapon. It won't make a difference in this case. Unless you drove an 18 wheeler without one to the incident.

Lol your correct

[tvc184]

So what I understand is that if you are inside your vehicle and are being attacked or about to be attacked and in fear of your life, deadly force against the attacker is justified. That is the same defense as the castle doctrine of a person being inside their home and the law clearly states so. Doesn't mean you may not be arrested but at least you have a defense to prosecution. You could also face a civil lawsuit. It would be costly no matter what.

Yes but.... PC 9.31 (e) and (f) also says that if you are legally at any location, you do not have to retreat. So if you live in Houston but are on a sidewalk in Dallas, I guess every sidewalk is an extension of your home because you don’t have to retreat there either.

The law in Texas says that if you are legally at a location and being unlawful threatened and aren’t committing a crime yourself, you have the right of self defense and no duty to retreat. It can be your home, your neighbor’s home, your car, any business, any public location......

[Mike D]

Off originator's topic but, for those that don't think a LTC is appropriate and constitutional carry should be the way, you must be okay with the mentally ill or convicted felons carrying weapons like you and everybody else. I mean, there's no limitations to who may carry, what, or how, or when. I'm not okay with that as I think most people aren't.

IF that scenario were to play out then they likely acquired the weapon illegally in the first place.

No reason I as a law abiding citizen should be punished for other’s sins.


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[Buckshot4900]

I’m waiting for constitutional carry......or, when I carry I am carrying constitutionally. It’s a rare occasion when I do.

Kinda like “Russian Roulette” in my opinion. I’m not a gambler.


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[Olphart]

IF that scenario were to play out then they likely acquired the weapon illegally in the first place.

No reason I as a law abiding citizen should be punished for other’s sins.


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Ok, how do we know you are a law abiding citizen? And how would it be illegal for a felon to have a gun if he/she is allowed to carry under the constitution?

[2B4Him]

If you believe you have a 'constitutional' right to carry a weapon, do so. But, you are risking a lot money if you have to use that weapon to defend yourself and then use a lawyer to defend you. In the best case scenario of a sympathetic jury, you'll just bankrupt your family to walk free. It would be so much less money/trouble to just get a license to carry.
As a recovering attorney, I can tell you that proving yourself right is often not worth the money.
And for those espousing a 'God given right' to carry - I am pretty knowledgeable about the Bible and I have yet to see where such a right is mentioned. Perhaps it was just hyperbole.

[Buckshot4900]

Just my opinion, but, guys who refuse to get an ltc aren’t really refusing to, chances are they cant.
Ok, pile on, I’m a big boy.


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[flywise]

[QUOTE=Olphart;14899638]Ok, how do we know you are a law abiding citizen? And how would it be illegal for a felon to have a gun if he/she is allowed to carry under the constitution?[/

There is no need for you are anyone else to know if I am or someone else is a law abiding citizen until which time I do something that requires the police to check me.
Felons already carry when they know they are not allowed to do so. Millions of people like me who have never been convicted of anything can’t carry legally with out gaining permission from big brother. Why is that fair?

[flywise]

Just my opinion, but, guys who refuse to get an ltc aren’t really refusing to, chances are they cant.
Ok, pile on, I’m a big boy.


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Lol lord have mercy.

[Traildust]

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Ok, how do we know you are a law abiding citizen? And how would it be illegal for a felon to have a gun if he/she is allowed to carry under the constitution?[/

There is no need for you are anyone else to know if I am or someone else is a law abiding citizen until which time I do something that requires the police to check me.
Felons already carry when they know they are not allowed to do so. Millions of people like me who have never been convicted of anything can’t carry legally with out gaining permission from big brother. Why is that fair?

Life's hard, it's harder when ....

[flywise]

Did you guys carry illegal knives before that stupidity went away? I mean, an inch or two made all the difference

[CaptainDave]

Just go get an LTC and be done with it.

It's easier to get a license to carry now then it had been for years. It used to be a full day class requirement for an application. Heck, you used to even have to take a half day refresher course just to renew. Now it's like a half day class for an application and renewal is on-line, no class requirement and DPS will just use the updated picture from your DL.

I agree that the initial application process is a pain and slow. However, the license is good 4 years and the renewals are a breeze.