Yeah I'd like to know how they influenced the election?
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Originally posted by Clay C View PostHere's my question. If everyone is so sure they messed with our election, why are they so sure it was to benefit Trump?
Why would they want Trump over someone who was friendly with them, facilitated in selling them uranium, and who headed the state department in the administration with the weakest foreign policy in our history?
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If Putin could influence the election of a US President, he sure as hell wouldn't have helped Trump (a staunch capitalist) win. Hillary would have been the obvious choice. She's been a socialist masquerading as a Democrat her entire life.
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Originally posted by 100%TtId View PostThis is the essential question that just keeps getting overlooked.
If Putin could influence the election of a US President, he sure as hell wouldn't have helped Trump (a staunch capitalist) win. Hillary would have been the obvious choice. She's been a socialist masquerading as a Democrat her entire life.
Russia, just as the United States and numerous other nations, conduct psyops in the form of media manipulation, social media spamming, etc., to foment instability. IF Russia had a preference for Trump it wasn't as a pay-for-play scheme, but because they viewed it as damaging a regime that had them under sanctions. It turns out that Trump getting elected didn't change those sanctions, but when viewed logically I don't see why anyone would be surprised that a rival nation would potentially favor a candidate that didn't speak about them as being an outright enemy - as Hillary did.
On behalf of the U.S. its a lot of the pot calling the kettle black, we have not just engaged in covert propaganda to influence foreign elections, but we have outright overthrown democratically elected leaders and propped up dictatorships that favor our regional interests. The whole "do as I say but not as I do" approach to the world is just hypocritical and Americans shouldn't make the assumption of always having the moral high ground - disregarding that other nations have a vested interest in the global political game too. In the intelligence community I think this is widely understood to be common practice and, in general, I think the U.S. is the most successful at blocking foreign influence in our political process when compared to other western nations.
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Originally posted by Hank Hill View PostPutin snarked himself that if he wanted to influence our election he would have donated to the Clinton foundation.
Russia, just as the United States and numerous other nations, conduct psyops in the form of media manipulation, social media spamming, etc., to foment instability. IF Russia had a preference for Trump it wasn't as a pay-for-play scheme, but because they viewed it as damaging a regime that had them under sanctions. It turns out that Trump getting elected didn't change those sanctions, but when viewed logically I don't see why anyone would be surprised that a rival nation would potentially favor a candidate that didn't speak about them as being an outright enemy - as Hillary did.
On behalf of the U.S. its a lot of the pot calling the kettle black, we have not just engaged in covert propaganda to influence foreign elections, but we have outright overthrown democratically elected leaders and propped up dictatorships that favor our regional interests. The whole "do as I say but not as I do" approach to the world is just hypocritical and Americans shouldn't make the assumption of always having the moral high ground - disregarding that other nations have a vested interest in the global political game too. In the intelligence community I think this is widely understood to be common practice and, in general, I think the U.S. is the most successful at blocking foreign influence in our political process when compared to other western nations.
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Originally posted by Hank Hill View PostOn behalf of the U.S. its a lot of the pot calling the kettle black, we have not just engaged in covert propaganda to influence foreign elections, but we have outright overthrown democratically elected leaders and propped up dictatorships that favor our regional interests.
Putin has some pretty good quotes on it really. Assad got something like 70% of the vote there and the US is trying to over throw him, and put "rebels" in charge. The same rebels we are fighting in other places.
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Originally posted by batmaninja View PostAnd that is pretty much the Russia/US beef over Syria.
Putin has some pretty good quotes on it really. Assad got something like 70% of the vote there and the US is trying to over throw him, and put "rebels" in charge. The same rebels we are fighting in other places.
For example the iconic Aleppo boy photo turned out to be total hogwash: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...suffering/amp/
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Originally posted by Hank Hill View PostPutin snarked himself that if he wanted to influence our election he would have donated to the Clinton foundation.
Russia, just as the United States and numerous other nations, conduct psyops in the form of media manipulation, social media spamming, etc., to foment instability. IF Russia had a preference for Trump it wasn't as a pay-for-play scheme, but because they viewed it as damaging a regime that had them under sanctions. It turns out that Trump getting elected didn't change those sanctions, but when viewed logically I don't see why anyone would be surprised that a rival nation would potentially favor a candidate that didn't speak about them as being an outright enemy - as Hillary did.
On behalf of the U.S. its a lot of the pot calling the kettle black, we have not just engaged in covert propaganda to influence foreign elections, but we have outright overthrown democratically elected leaders and propped up dictatorships that favor our regional interests. The whole "do as I say but not as I do" approach to the world is just hypocritical and Americans shouldn't make the assumption of always having the moral high ground - disregarding that other nations have a vested interest in the global political game too. In the intelligence community I think this is widely understood to be common practice and, in general, I think the U.S. is the most successful at blocking foreign influence in our political process when compared to other western nations.
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