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Originally posted by boblee View PostDeath from Above, as stated originally, I will not argue the "morally right" or the "morally wrong" aspects. I'm certain that you are a good man and an intelligent man. Certainly in better favor in the eyes of the Almighty than I may be.
I don't live in a high rise, I own a nice modest home a few miles outside a little municipality not far from DFW proper. I registered to this particular website because the outdoors is not just a hobby or a pastime. It is a way of life.
Given a choice, I perhaps would be different, and I've made some efforts to be. But one morning, I wake and I look up at the ceiling and guess who's laying there?
Therefore, my information is not 3rd or 4th hand. It is first hand. I've been about half-outlaw all my life, it's inescapable.
In order:
1. Drugs. I've had a relationship with marijuana since 1969. My income is in six figures, my credit score is 837 and I've never been out of work, emphasis "never" in my life, and I entered the official workforce at the age of 16. No other drugs beyond the marijuana. I've known some cocaine users that were, and are in fact professionals, business men. I won't address any other substances because I'm not qualified to address them. The good or the bad or the ugly.
2. Gambling, not much. I enjoy low stakes poker games with some co-workers and friends. Horse racing, I could get into, I think. I've been to casinos a couple of times and I didn't enjoy myself very much. I haven't bought a scratch off in oh... probably 10 years. I don't fool with lottery tickets until the payoff exceeds a hundred million - when it does, I'll buy exactly one. A few dollars expended to daydream for a day or two.
3. Prostitution. You're speaking theoretically and I'm speaking form experience. Long and wide. That doesn't make me cool guy, no, not at all. I just realized at a very early age that there is a price tag attached to all coochie and I reached (and continue to reach) into my pockets and drove straight to the hoop. Most times, I've been money ahead.
I'm a survivor of: A little establishment in Villa Platte, Louisiana, hotels in Ft. Smith, Arkansas and Oklahoma City. Boys' Towns in Matamoros and Ciudad Acuna, numerous massage parlors and tub clubs. Shortly before my 24th birthday, I enjoyed a full day at the "Chicken Ranch" in Lagrange.
And for the past 8 or 9 years, professional elite escorts. Never anyone directly off the street, no "crack whores", and yes there are certainly far too many of them. I've never caught an STD. Never.
Several of the "sporting women", I came to know quite well. I'll give you one example: She was widowed at the age of 37, her husband killed in a car accident, four children at with her oldest daughter a quadriplegic for life. a home with a mortgage and he left her no life insurance. She did what she had to do. Search my history and you'll find a photo of us together. She's married now and in another line of work. But we are still close friends. We met at Del Frisco's in Ft. Worth to celebrate my 70th birthday last September,
a strictly platonic reunion. With her husband's knowledge and consent. She told me lots of stories during our over years together, she trusts me because she can. Sometimes they do enjoy themselves, sometimes not. There are good days at the office and bad days at the office in all professions and endeavors
And the whole truth is; I'll say it out loud, outlaw women attract men, just as outlaw men attract women.
I reckon my moral fibers are considerably more flexible than yours are. Probably there'll be a real high price for me to pay in the next life. But I've lived this one to the fullest.
Bob Lee
Hey boblee,
If you need a wingman for your 75th you just send me a PM my friend
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Originally posted by Death from Above View PostEdit...
Don't think we will ever agree on what perversion is. I hope it is never legalized
Is your term perversion based on "morality" or is it just a personal stance? Just asking so I can understand fully.
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Originally posted by Landrover View PostI can relate to your statement, but will toss this out. I will submit that perversion included alcohol consumption, interracial marriage, etc, etc, etc............in our short history.
Is your term perversion based on "morality" or is it just a personal stance? Just asking so I can understand fully.
Bet no one wants their wife or daughter in that occupation.
And for the record i have participated in ministys that ministered to HUNDREDS of victims of sex trafficking. Prostitution is sex traffickimg.
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Originally posted by Death from Above View PostI was raised to repect women and taking advantage of them by paying for sex is a pervert for my book...i just find it degrading and sick.
Bet no one wants their wife or daughter in that occupation.
And for the record i have participated in ministys that ministered to HUNDREDS of victims of sex trafficking. Prostitution is sex traffickimg.
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Originally posted by boblee View PostDeath from Above, as stated originally, I will not argue the "morally right" or the "morally wrong" aspects. I'm certain that you are a good man and an intelligent man. Certainly in better favor in the eyes of the Almighty than I may be.
I don't live in a high rise, I own a nice modest home a few miles outside a little municipality not far from DFW proper. I registered to this particular website because the outdoors is not just a hobby or a pastime. It is a way of life.
Given a choice, I perhaps would be different, and I've made some efforts to be. But one morning, I wake and I look up at the ceiling and guess who's laying there?
Therefore, my information is not 3rd or 4th hand. It is first hand. I've been about half-outlaw all my life, it's inescapable.
In order:
1. Drugs. I've had a relationship with marijuana since 1969. My income is in six figures, my credit score is 837 and I've never been out of work, emphasis "never" in my life, and I entered the official workforce at the age of 16. No other drugs beyond the marijuana. I've known some cocaine users that were, and are in fact professionals, business men. I won't address any other substances because I'm not qualified to address them. The good or the bad or the ugly.
2. Gambling, not much. I enjoy low stakes poker games with some co-workers and friends. Horse racing, I could get into, I think. I've been to casinos a couple of times and I didn't enjoy myself very much. I haven't bought a scratch off in oh... probably 10 years. I don't fool with lottery tickets until the payoff exceeds a hundred million - when it does, I'll buy exactly one. A few dollars expended to daydream for a day or two.
3. Prostitution. You're speaking theoretically and I'm speaking form experience. Long and wide. That doesn't make me cool guy, no, not at all. I just realized at a very early age that there is a price tag attached to all coochie and I reached (and continue to reach) into my pockets and drove straight to the hoop. Most times, I've been money ahead.
I'm a survivor of: A little establishment in Villa Platte, Louisiana, hotels in Ft. Smith, Arkansas and Oklahoma City. Boys' Towns in Matamoros and Ciudad Acuna, numerous massage parlors and tub clubs. Shortly before my 24th birthday, I enjoyed a full day at the "Chicken Ranch" in Lagrange.
And for the past 8 or 9 years, professional elite escorts. Never anyone directly off the street, no "crack whores", and yes there are certainly far too many of them. I've never caught an STD. Never.
Several of the "sporting women", I came to know quite well. I'll give you one example: She was widowed at the age of 37, her husband killed in a car accident, four children at with her oldest daughter a quadriplegic for life. a home with a mortgage and he left her no life insurance. She did what she had to do. Search my history and you'll find a photo of us together. She's married now and in another line of work. But we are still close friends. We met at Del Frisco's in Ft. Worth to celebrate my 70th birthday last September,
a strictly platonic reunion. With her husband's knowledge and consent. She told me lots of stories during our over years together, she trusts me because she can. Sometimes they do enjoy themselves, sometimes not. There are good days at the office and bad days at the office in all professions and endeavors
And the whole truth is; I'll say it out loud, outlaw women attract men, just as outlaw men attract women.
I reckon my moral fibers are considerably more flexible than yours are. Probably there'll be a real high price for me to pay in the next life. But I've lived this one to the fullest.
Bob Lee
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Originally posted by Landrover View PostBased on other changes in laws and court rulings..... obviously yes. Prohibition in the roaring 20s , gay isses, civil rights, interracial marriage........etc, etc, as I mentioned earlier.
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Originally posted by Death from Above View PostIm not sure i follow?
Our changes in policy, culture and even "things we don't agree with" are not supposed to be based on morality but by the constitution and the Bill of Rights. Does it always work that way?......definitely not or slavery would have been abolished in 1776 based on the very moral clause that "all men are created equal". Or more recently, abortion in the 1970s would not have passed with Roe versus Wade if the final decision is on a segment of the populations version of morality. These issues raised by the poster WILL come up sooner than many may be comfortable with......including me, but they are coming.[emoji111]
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Originally posted by Landrover View PostNot arguing your stance just playing the middle against the edges. Thats called engaged discussion. [emoji6]
Our changes in policy, culture and even "things we don't agree with" are not supposed to be based on morality but by the constitution. Does it always work that way?......definitely not or slavery would have been abolished in 1776 based on the very moral clause that "all men are created equal". Or more recently, abortion in the 1970s would not have passed with Roe versus Wade if the final decision is on a segment of the populations version of mortality. These issues raised by the poster WILL come up sooner than many may be comfortable with......including me, but they are coming.[emoji111]
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TBH. I wasnt trying to be moral or anything. I just think it is perverted to pay for sex.
Label me however ( not you O but in general). Some things are just nasty and that is one of them for me. I mean really...what woman wants a guy her grandpas age....lets be real.
Thats just nasty to me.
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