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Did I miss something in my WW II history regarding Hitler?
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Originally posted by Landrover View PostWhat is sad is that HITLER had a grandparent or great grandparent that was Jewish.........ouch!!! guess he did not know his family tree.
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Originally posted by Gummi Bear View PostThe history of humankind is the history of conflict. I once heard that in a lecture and it stuck with me.
While all of those are truly atrocious, no single leader will equal Temujin (Genghis Khan) by the numbers. It is estimated that he is responsible for 40 million deaths. His campaigning changed the population of the planet, not just a country. It is said that one in 500 modern Chinese is a direct descendant of his. That is bananas when you think about it.
Timur Lenk (who I know very little about) is said to be responsible for 17-20 million deaths
All of WWII is estimated at 66 million dead
Stalin is credited with 20 million
Hitler 24 million dead
Back to the OP - if you want to show your kid a series of leaders that expanded an empire with minimal bloodshed, look at Persia. Sure there was conflict, but most folks found it more profitable to join up. Dan Carlin did a fantastic podcast on this called Kings of Kings.
"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices, have very few virtues" - Abraham Lincoln
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Originally posted by texan4ut View PostI had read an interesting article written by a Austrian citizen on how Hitler was able to take over their country without firing a shot. He simple led people to believe they would be much better off under Socialism. He promised many things free education, free food, better housing for free etc. then once he took control he began the slow destruction of the country my controlling what they read, mandatory service to the government etc. So in that regard yes he was a great leader just a very evil one.
Heck, both sides (US & Russia) decided fairly early on in the war not to even consider assassination as his micro-managing of the battlefield was an advantage for the allies...you have to wonder what europe would look like today if the guy simply knew when to stop. Like stated, he went full blown nuts towards the end.
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Hitler was a great deceiver, he drove people to their grave with his deception. Fooled his countrymen into believing they could rule the world. Destroyed millions of lives. Pulled other countries into his conflict. Millions more perished, for what? His selfish dreams. Everything he attempted, he failed at it. A leader? I think not.
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Originally posted by flywise View PostIs it really leadership if the people you lead, follow you only because they fear you will kill them if they dont?
No, I agree with you.
It's the same reason that Trump calling Putin a great leader is nuts. Putin poisons and makes his political foes disappear. Leadership through fear and intimidation is not leadership at all!!!!!!
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