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    Why I Can't and Won't Vote for Donald Trump

    Hello Green Screen,

    I thought I might stir the pot a bit on this fine Easter morning. I will not be voting for Donald Trump. I did not vote for him in the primary, and I will not got for him I. The general should he receive the nomination. I know many will say that failure to vote with the republicans is the same as giving a vote to the democrats. I used to be that guy, but times they are a'changin'. Let me break this down one layer at a time.

    On Cruz and the primary:
    I did vote for Cruz in the primary. I support many of his positions and want to see power taken from Washington and given back to the states and the people. That said, I'm certainly not as excited about voting for him as I once was. The bloom is off the rose, so to speak. He and his campaign have said some things that I feel are beneath the office he is seeking (as has everyone else unfortunately). All that said, I want to be clear, I am not refusing to vote for Trump because I'm upset that this would mean that Cruz lost. My position on Trump has nothing to do with Cruz.

    On Trump and the general election:
    I'll speak plainly here. Trump is a bombastic megalomaniacal populist. He'll say anything to get elected. One should always be wary of someone who runs their mouth a lot but doesn't actually tell you anything. We should have learned this lesson all to well with Obama. I certainly don't disagree with a a lot of what he does say. We need border control. We need better foreign policy and trade policy. We need economic improvement. We need to be smarter about how we use our money. But he hasn't really told us how he plans to get these things. Mexico certainly isn't going to build a wall for the U.S. I'm not sure what "we're going to win so much that we'll get tired of winning" even means. All that aside, let's discuss the root of why I will not vote for him. Simply put, Trump is about power and self promotion. I do not trust him to obey the laws limiting the power of the executive office. To me, this makes him every bit as dangerous as Obama and Clinton. What do you call tyranny from within your own party? Still tyranny. Having spent six years putting my tail on the line to defend this nation, I simply will not vote for tyranny, whether elephant or donkey. Should he win the nomination, I may well vote for the Libertarian candidate. To those who say I would be throwing my vote away, I would argue that we throw our votes away every time we swallow the proverbial poop sandwich and vote for someone we don't really support just to keep someone else we don't support from winning.

    I fully expect this post to generate some heat. Let's keep it civil guys.

    #2
    Happy Easter.

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      #3
      Happy Easter to you too. Hope you have a blessed day.

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        #4
        Libertarians need votes too! Vote with your heart and mind and not for someone because it is a vote against someone else. Happy Easter.

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          #5
          It is your right to vote for who ever you want to vote for.
          One thing that I don't understand is why vote for someone that you know will not win but...it is your right to do so.

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            #6
            That's ok. Someone in the "Bernie or Bust" crowd will cancel out your indirect vote for Hillary.

            Some Sanders supporters say it’s ‘Bernie or Bust’ and they will never vote for Hillary Clinton


            https://www.yahoo.com/politics/some-...155205844.html

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              #7
              Mr. Steady

              I am not a politically involved person. But I do pay attention. The things you posted about saying nothing is pretty much true of every candidate running for that office for as long as I can remember ( my age is greater than my memory). I will say that everyone runs on a platform but none ever give a step by step of how those things will get done. The political process in Washington is not as easy as drawing up a blue print and following it. Too many wanna be chiefs and back door deals have to be considered before you show your cards. I did not vote Trump in the primary. I will say this....I will be darn sure that my vote keeps Hillbilly or Bern from attending to our destruction. The one good thing about Trump, and we have ALL asked for it for a while, is he is not a career politician. He will do his thing and be gone. Just like the original design of the constitution. Food for thought while you enjoy your Easter ham. Howdy, neighbor.

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                #8
                I suppose it comes down to this. I'm not willing to vote for someone who I believe will damage our country just so that I can say I voted for the winner. I have always voted Republican in national elections. Unfortunately I may not have that option this time, so I'll need to consider others.

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                  #9
                  Just some food for thought....I read this on another format and thought it gave cause to stop and consider:
                  These are not my words or any endorsement, simply shared for chewing on like a stalk off hay.....


                  Why I (we) decided to back TRUMP

                  Our comments and observations, as private citizens:

                  Coming from outside America (and having become citizens of the USA) we see things a little differently - we see it from a global perspective - from what is happening globally. We know that the Bible tells us that the devil's end-time plan is a one-world religion, one-world money system, and one-world government - a "new world order" (NWO). This is a plan that threatens every freedom we have and hold dear.

                  Christianity and the Bible is a threat to this global plan. So is anyone who thinks for themselves. The American Constitution - the document that made America the great nation it is - stands in the way of this global agenda. This is why it has been under attack - from our own president, and others, on down. We realize that it is the New World Order's Agenda to destroy the United States.

                  If you want to see things in this country stay as they are, please read no further. If you know we need a change, and you want a change, then this is what we have to say about it:

                  We cannot vote for Clinton. She has no scruples, has broken the law on multiple occasions, has extreme views on abortion, etc., and works only for those who pay her.

                  Sanders is a Socialist/Communist. He, and those who follow in his footsteps, will take the country the way of Venezuela and the old Soviet Union. Communism is a failed ideology that has never worked anywhere it's been tried.

                  Unfortunately, it seems that whether we have Democrats or Republicans in charge, we keep going in the same direction. The people who actually run the country behind the scenes, continue to run America into the ground. The vast majority of politicians we elect fulfill their own agenda and do not stand up for the people who elected them.

                  Kasich is not going to win at this stage. He is a GOP insider and is for Common Core. He also received money from ungodly billionaire George Soros.


                  Rubio has the worst absentee voting record in the Senate. Either he is disengaged, or he doesn't want anyone to know his true stance on the issues. What kind of a president would he be? He tells his voters to vote Kasich in Ohio and he wants Kasich to tell his voters to vote Rubio in Florida - they can't win on their own merit.
                  The biggest vote against him is that he was the establishment's favorite. The one they could control to do their bidding. America has had it with The Establishment. They have not delivered what they promised. They are all in on the shell-game. The shell- game, with no pea.

                  Cruz.
                  Our first hesitation concerning him started at Celebrate America DC 2014 at Constitution Hall. He was scheduled to speak, and cancelled at the last minute, because his office said he was being groomed for the presidency and he did not want to be associated with something that could reflect negatively on him. Why would a Christian be ashamed of a soul winning event?
                  The second thing - or red flag - is that he claims to be a Christian, but gave only one percent of his income to charity. Where your treasure is, your heart is. You have to put your money where your mouth is.
                  The third (huge) problem is the fact that his wife was part of the Council for Foreign Relations (CFR) - an arm of the NWO - and Goldman Sachs - the "money changers."
                  She (and he?) is for the TPP and open borders - both of which threaten America's sovereignty.
                  The fourth and final thing - that sunk it for us - was when he joined the Bush's. He brought in Neil Bush (Jeb's brother) - the man who was involved in the billion dollar savings & loan fraud - to be his (Cruz's) financial director.
                  That's it for me - I am done - he has thrown his hat in with the Bush crime syndicate.
                  The only place I would put him is in the Supreme Court - if he can prove he loves the Constitution as much as he says he does.

                  The only one left - who is not bought and paid for is TRUMP. While I understand some people's reaction to this might be shock - I can only speak from personal experience. I met Mr Trump twice in a 20- year period - once in the '90's and the last time was two years ago. Both times were chance encounters - not planned. He did not know who I was - I found him to be a humble person and he treated me with kindness - that's all. I believe him when he says that he is tired of the direction the country is going in and felt like that if no one else was going to step up, then he felt like he should. I believe that his popularity is due to the fact that he is NOT a politician, but he is one of "we the people" just as we are. We are all tired of being manipulated by politicians, liberals, and the media.
                  Trump does not censor his words - like politicians do - he says what he thinks - which appeals to people. I am not saying I agree with everything he has said, or that he knows everything he is signing up for, but I do believe that he will put knowledgeable people around him who share the same values as we patriotic Americans do.
                  People have lambasted him on his language. We have it on good authority that Hillary and George Bush - to mention only two - have very vulgar mouths behind the scenes. Trump isn't perfect, but at least we can see all his faults. They are not hidden behind a veil of smugness.
                  Trump has not been bought out by private interests. He made his own billions and he is spending them on his campaign.

                  A mark of a person's standing is who backs them and who attacks them. The New World Order and the establishment are spending tens of millions to take him down. When the Pope attacks him, plus two former Mexican Presidents and other world leaders - then that tells me he is a threat to the New World Order and the One World Government. When the world's financial elite met in Davos, Switzerland, and said they are afraid of Trump - I said that's good enough for me.
                  Trump is bad news to the New World Order and the One World Government, spoken about by George Bush (Snr) in his "1000 points of light" speech.
                  Trump is good news to American Sovereignty.

                  World leaders to back Hillary to stop Trump



                  Because of his stance on immigration, he is labeled by the left as a racist and Hitler - something they use in the UK against Nigel Farage and UKIP for the same reasons. If you are a leftist liberal and you don't have a valid argument to support your opposing view - just call people names and label them: racist, misogynist, Hitler, fascist, etc. Most people don't even know what those terms mean. The problem is that too many Americans are illiterate when it comes to history - particularly their own. If you don't know history, you don't know when you are being lied to. We should hear what the candidates say - in their own words - and not believe the twisted versions. We need to think for ourselves and not be open to being manipulated.

                  Immigration should take place, but should take place legally - open borders are not the way to do things.

                  Watch this ....... Black Pastor Brings Down The House at Donald Trump Cleveland Rally! Re: Trump Pastor Darrell Scott:



                  We are in the final hour now - the final grains of sand are slipping through the hour glass. We stand on the brink of a one-world government, one-world religion, one-world money system, and the rise of the antichrist.

                  I will say that a Trump presidency will give us a stay of execution, only.

                  All the nonsense stirred up in the main stream propaganda media: the lies - racism stirred up, etc., is all a ploy to take Mr Trump down. My concern is that, even if he becomes the nominee, he will be in danger - I fear for his life.

                  The GOP wants a brokered convention - to steal the nomination from the people's choice. Personally, I don't think they want Cruz either, but they have co-opted him.
                  Last edited by JayB; 03-27-2016, 09:48 AM.

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                    #10
                    Trump is a wild card. Nobody knows what he will do. He has been on both sides of every issue at one time or another. That said, if the choice is between a wild card and a socialist, I'll take the wild card. There is at least a chance that Trump might support the second amendment.

                    By the way, all this BS about supporting a candidate because they are an outsider or not a politician is just that, BS. Experience is a big part of being qualified for a job. Things are not going to improve because the president doesn't know what he is doing.

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                      #11
                      Trump is controversial, that's what keeps him in the news and everyone talking about him. Including you. Is he scary? yep especially to the left

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Slow&Steady View Post
                        I suppose it comes down to this. I'm not willing to vote for someone who I believe will damage our country just so that I can say I voted for the winner. I have always voted Republican in national elections. Unfortunately I may not have that option this time, so I'll need to consider others.
                        I like you voted for Cruz but am not as enthusiastic about him as I once was.

                        I don't think Trump is in it for personal gain, I tend to believe him when he says that his life would be much easier if he weren't running.

                        I'm much more fearful of the US turning into a PC filled country like France, Germany, and Belgium, afraid to call out Islam, than I am of Trump damaging this country.

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                          #13
                          Trump may and probably is the only candidate that will expose every little tidbit about the corrupt Clintons on a national stage and not back down. He does not care about being politically correct. Is he experienced/qualified enough for the job, probably not, but how in the heck was our current Muslim in office qualified or experienced. What worries me is if the Republican go to a brokered convention and somehow Kasich gets nominated and not Trump, then Trump runs as an independent and that will put whoever the Democrat is (Clinton) in office.

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                            #14
                            Thanks for the info and input guys. I appreciate it. I will continue to consider my position as we approach the election.

                            JayB- We should meet up for a beer and talk hunting sometime.

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                              #15
                              Don't sweat it. I consider folks that are "contemplating" every conceivable outcome a great addition to the process. You are among many that are torn on this election. Remember, TBH is a basically a pitre dish on the world wide web of like minded individuals (as is talk radio) so the thoughts/concerns/answers tend to run together for the most part. I have not made my decision either but understanding that TEXAS is RED significantly discounts the importance of stressing over your personal choice.
                              Originally posted by iamntxhunter View Post
                              It is your right to vote for who ever you want to vote for.
                              One thing that I don't understand is why vote for someone that you know will not win but...it is your right to do so.
                              I hear this a lot. Interesting way to look at it I guess, but that is NOT how the process works.
                              Heck, I may change all my football picks this season as I know the SAINTS and TEXANS cant beat any of the teams scheduled.......lol! Texas is RED and will go Republican no matter how a handful may or may not vote.......which equals the electoral college votes go to the Republican.......period! Congrats to whomever that person may be. Trump, Kasich or Cruz.........the issue is the states that are on the bubble of RED/BLUE! Very easy to be a spectator on this one.
                              Originally posted by Slow&Steady View Post
                              I suppose it comes down to this. I'm not willing to vote for someone who I believe will damage our country just so that I can say I voted for the winner. I have always voted Republican in national elections. Unfortunately I may not have that option this time, so I'll need to consider others.
                              Nice summary of what I typed above! My 6 year old nephew is all about winning..........no matter what!!! LOL!
                              Originally posted by treestand View Post
                              Trump is a wild card. Nobody knows what he will do. He has been on both sides of every issue at one time or another. That said, if the choice is between a wild card and a socialist, I'll take the wild card. There is at least a chance that Trump might support the second amendment.

                              By the way, all this BS about supporting a candidate because they are an outsider or not a politician is just that, BS. Experience is a big part of being qualified for a job. Things are not going to improve because the president doesn't know what he is doing.
                              Interesting post! But I do agree with that outsider non-sense......lol!!!

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