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    Thoughts On the Proposed Drone Bans?

    Apologies in advance, this will be a long post, but it’s a fairly nuanced issue. I’m truly looking for feedback here because I don’t see a clear answer.

    One callout, there are multiple Chinese-owned commercial drone companies in roughly the same boat, but for simplicity I’ll focus on DJI here.

    Background:

    DJI (Chinese drone company) controls +/- 70% of the commercial drone market in the US. They send encrypted data back to China and there’s no real info published on what they’re actually collecting. It could be hardware data for future device development or they could be streaming/capturing video, essentially crowdsourcing spying for the Chinese government.

    Current Status:

    Given this lack of transparency, there are multiple federal bills in the pipeline to outright ban drones from Chinese companies and a number of federal, state, and local agencies have already stopped using them.

    The Politics of it All:

    The proposed bans are problematic for a couple of reasons…
    1. The bills put forth were, at best, a political favor, and more bluntly pure political collusion/corruption. The sponsor for the two main bills is Representative Elise Stefanik who probably couldn’t spell DJI much less care about their drones if not for her former National Security Advisor, Joe Bartlett. Joe Bartlett just so happens to now be the Director of Federal Policy for Skydio who is the American drone company best positioned to monetarily benefit from ban (they’ve also financed the majority of the lobbying). The bills Stefanik proposed appear to be stalled, but as is tradition with unpopular bills that people need to push through, the meat of her bill was tucked into an unrelated bill that usually gets rubber stamped. In this case it’s now section 1722 of the National Defense Authorization Act for 2025.
    2. While Skydio is best positioned to benefit from the ban, they aren’t remotely capable of actually replacing DJI in the near future. Skydio has abandoned the consumer market and their enterprise level drones aren’t as good as DJIs, cost 5-10x as much, and have a multi-year waitlist which gives preferential treatment based on order size.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-...ouse-bill/2864



    https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-bartlett

    What’s Next:

    The NDAA with its version of the ban language has passed the House vote. The Senate will now put together their version and the. The two will be reconciled. There’s no real indication as to whether or not the ban will be in the Senate version or survive the merge.

    Implications:

    I don’t particularly care if the general public loses access to recreational drones, but law enforcement, fire, search and rescue, and agriculture (drone sprayers) losing access to DJI without a viable replacement is a considerable step backwards.

    At the same time, I do agree that having TexDot or the LCRA use DJI drones to inspect critical infrastructure sounds like a terrible idea if the data is being sent back to China
    Last edited by atx_hunter; 06-21-2024, 10:17 PM.

    #2
    We should ban our enemy from doing business of any kind on US soil. Should not own land, either. Why allow it? As to who profits from it...I don't care as long as it is an American company I can buy stock in.

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      #3
      In your opinion why is China our enemy? They don't play by our rules but do you think America doesn't break rules too? Do you think we don't spy on other countries illegally?

      I may be a part of the problem since I own a dji drone! They are great machines

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        #4
        Originally posted by TeamAmerica View Post
        In your opinion why is China our enemy? They don't play by our rules but do you think America doesn't break rules too? Do you think we don't spy on other countries illegally?

        I may be a part of the problem since I own a dji drone! They are great machines
        in your opinion, why is China not an enemy?

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          #5
          Ban everything. It’s for The Children

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            #6
            Originally posted by SJP51 View Post
            We should ban our enemy from doing business of any kind on US soil. Should not own land, either. Why allow it? As to who profits from it...I don't care as long as it is an American company I can buy stock in.
            This ^^^

            China steals billions worth of our intellectual property every year. We need to decouple from these parasites. F’ em.

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              #7
              Originally posted by 100%TtId View Post

              This ^^^

              China steals billions worth of our intellectual property every year. We need to decouple from these parasites. F’ em.
              What about all of the Americans who get screwed by taking such a hardline stance? F’ them too as collateral damage?

              F’ the farmers and contractors who have spent $30k plus on sprayer drones?

              F’ the guys who spent $100k plus on specialized units for inspecting oil pipelines and transmission lines?

              F’ the SWAT teams who now use DJI drones to clear rooms and houses before entry?

              F’ the lost kids, hikers, swimmers, etc. who have been found by search and rescue teams using DJI drones?

              F’ China and DJI on principle so a corrupt US based competitor can profit more?

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                #8
                If China is our enemy there are many things we should do first. Bottom line is our politicians DGAF unless they stand to profit.

                Just ban the sale of China drones here to start and you don't screw current owners of drones. There's a start LOL. I mean if they really saw it as a threat just do that right off the bat and then figure out the rest. But they really don't care.

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                  #9
                  I say let’s stop the 1000’s of Chinese nationals that continue to enter our country illegally at our southern border, and deport the 1,000’s that are already here, before worry about drones..

                  The list of what we need to do concerning China is very long.
                  None of it will happen.

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                    #10
                    anytime we can keep Chinese crap out of this country, i'm o.k. with it.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by atx_hunter View Post

                      What about all of the Americans who get screwed by taking such a hardline stance? F’ them too as collateral damage?

                      F’ the farmers and contractors who have spent $30k plus on sprayer drones?

                      F’ the guys who spent $100k plus on specialized units for inspecting oil pipelines and transmission lines?

                      F’ the SWAT teams who now use DJI drones to clear rooms and houses before entry?

                      F’ the lost kids, hikers, swimmers, etc. who have been found by search and rescue teams using DJI drones?

                      F’ China and DJI on principle so a corrupt US based competitor can profit more?
                      You are ignoring the security risks from using China tech in such potentially sensitive applications.

                      Why are you so content with capitulating to an enemy who wants to completely control and destroy your country and way of life? For cheaper electronics? You trade American security and dominance just to save a few bucks? GTFOH. You understand China prices these technologies CHEAPER than they cost simply to destroy any competitive option? When all your **** is made in China, China controls you.

                      I have faith that if a ban is imposed, the US capitalist system will spring into action and some clever entrepreneur will develop retrofits, replacements, and conversion kits to keep the existing drones usable and in service while simultaneously fostering the growth and development of a robust US-based drone industry where profits STAY IN THE US to help pay for those SWAT and Search and rescue teams and farm subsidies you’re concerned with.

                      Decoupling from China will not be painless but it is absolutely necessary.

                      So I say again, and louder this time, F China and all the losers who can’t see they are being f’ed by China already.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by 100%TtId View Post

                        You are ignoring the security risks from using China tech in such potentially sensitive applications.

                        Why are you so content with capitulating to an enemy who wants to completely control and destroy your country and way of life?
                        I am all for banning DJI (just like they did with Huawei and other Chinese cell phones a few years back), but it needs to be done responsibly. While drones are a relatively new technology, they have quickly become integral to a few niches as mentioned previously. I’d love for the gov’t to subsidize the development of US alternatives so that there isn’t a dependency on DJI.

                        My concern is that blindly banning them this year or next, as a political favor, is irresponsible.

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                          #13
                          It’s bs. If China wanted to study our infrastructure they could just launch a spy ballon. And float it across the US. Ain’t nothing private or secret anymore. That horse left the barn many moons ago.

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                            #14
                            [QUOTE=100%TtId;n26822045]

                            You are ignoring the security risks from using China tech in such potentially sensitive applications.

                            Why are you so content with capitulating to an enemy who wants to completely control and destroy your country and way of life? For cheaper electronics? You trade American security and dominance just to save a few bucks? GTFOH. You understand China prices these technologies CHEAPER than they cost simply to destroy any competitive option? When all your **** is made in China, China controls you.

                            I have faith that if a ban is imposed, the US capitalist system will spring into action and some clever entrepreneur will develop retrofits, replacements, and conversion kits to keep the existing drones usable and in service while simultaneously fostering the growth and development of a robust US-based drone industry where profits STAY IN THE US to help pay for those SWAT and Search and rescue teams and farm subsidies you’re concerned with.

                            Decoupling from China will not be painless but it is absolutely necessary.

                            So I say again, and louder this time, F China and all the losers who can’t see they are being f’ed by China already. [/QUO

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                              #15
                              Amen brother.👍

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