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    #31
    Originally posted by Werk View Post
    If youre having disappointed reactions a lot, youre probably not paying enough for the work and the person doesnt find it worth their time. The same way the person hiring might not find that person worth hiring. When jobs are plenty, but employees are not, the companies dont really have much to bargain with. You are competing for the employee, not them competing for the job.

    We hire some inexperienced folks to do assembly work for our Pressure Control equipment. We hire and retain good people because we pay well and treat them well. They do give a full days work and effort, because the effort is reciprocated. They stay here as well.

    If youre offering 20 percent less salary, more time commuting and the associated costs, and wanting folks to "run through a wall and do whatever it takes", youre not competing for top talent. And what used to be considered "entry level salary" doesn't look so appealing to folks anymore. Not when they can go down the road to costco and make the same money for less work and less stress.

    The work environment has changed. Options are plenty. If I don't like how something it going in my job, I can have a new one in less than a week. I am not alone in that.

    Bottom line. If you are having trouble hiring employees, something you are doing is not working. As far as the no call no show, that's just a product of the job market right now. We offered a job in the professional sector to a guy relocating from NJ. He accepted, did his pre employment business, and was set to go. In between all the time it took to do all that, Schlumberger offered a job doing the same thing, with 20 percent more salary. Doesn't take much to figure out which direction he went. He never let us know. We found out because of someone else let us know at SLB. Just the way it goes these days.

    Also, some folks simply aren't polite. They don't consider other peoples time. It's just not a concern for them. Ive turned down jobs, but never just disappeared and left soemone wondering. Seems like you wouldn't want those folks working for you anyways. Lack of communication is a huge issue for any reasonable human being.

    This. Everyday. And twice on Sundays.


    Accepting an interview and then no call/no show is really bad manners and bad business practices, agree with that. Probably worth the lost time to dodge that bullet anyways.

    If you’re offering a job worth having, you’ll find someone pretty quickly though

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      #32
      Have had issues in San Antonio this year getting techs for the shop one stole from us and ran off. One had a start date did all the paperwork and never showed up the rest just have set up interviews and disappeared on us has happened 5-6 times most recently last Tuesday

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        #33
        In my experience companies that are solid and pay well don’t struggle finding help it’s to one’s that are lacking in multiple ways are struggling with people.

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          #34
          In the last 10 years companies and corporations alike have given off a bad vibe. People used to be loyal to employers because employers were loyal to them. Culture has changed. Not saying you run your business that way obviously. Corporations have become heartless ****ty machines that put profits above all else and often taking political positions. Employees are just numbers that can be layed off at a moment’s notice. This has gotten worse imo over the last 10-15 years. The covid experience may have increased the bad taste in a lot of people’s mouths. People dont want to work for a company or corporation anymore, they just have to. How can you find value in what you do if those you work for do not value you? Again, not pointing fingers at anyone, its just the common culture nowadays.

          I will never work for a company or corporation again for multiple reasons, but what I described above is high on the list.

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            #35
            Originally posted by CEO View Post
            Wife has been interviewing candidates to replace one of her employees who is moving. She's had a few no shows so far, but what has really surprised her is the arrogance of some of the candidates. Mostly between 25-30 years old. She said they come in wanting you to sell them on the position, telling you what and what they will not put up with from management, and wanting 15%-20% more than the advertised salary.
            This has been my experience for the last 7 years. We just let a kid go because he thought his degree made him top dog at 24 yo. He was blown away when we let him go due to his work ethic and entitlement, as well as multiple failures at his job.

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              #36
              I was in a fairly good job, but there's always better!
              I applied for a oil job in Corsicana at a station I had about 10 years of experience at. Of course changes were made in my absence but I had a working knowledge of that tank farm.
              I got a call and said they'd love to interview me......In Houston.
              I said no thanks, I'm not driving to Houston on a maybe.
              Older generation I guess, I had to tell em straight up I'm not making it.

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                #37
                Had two do it in the last 24 hours.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by DirtyDave View Post
                  I run a CNC Machine shop.
                  No call/show is common for interviews. Like probably 25% wont show.
                  Then if you actually hire someone, its a gamble if they even show up for their first day. Had several no call/show for first day of work. Probably 10% of hires.
                  I began seeing this the last few years before I retired and never ceased to be appalled.

                  I don't care what the "new" work paradigm is, or even how "out of touch" I am, this type of behavior is ill-mannered and unethical.

                  And I keep lists...

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by ThisLadyHunts View Post
                    I began seeing this the last few years before I retired and never ceased to be appalled.

                    I don't care what the "new" work paradigm is, or even how "out of touch" I am, this type of behavior is ill-mannered and unethical.

                    And I keep lists...

                    Same here.
                    I have even had new hires not show up to first day of employment and go ghost mode


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                      #40
                      Originally posted by SmTx View Post
                      This is what happens when the flip side is, "We'll let you know.." and the job seeker never hears back.
                      Yep, works both ways

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                        #41
                        I could write a book on my experiences with ****ty and unethical hiring and interview behaviors committed by employers of all sizes.

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                          #42
                          My son is 17. Every time I hear this "story" I remind him that he has a rainbow in front of him with a pot of gold way before the end. It's simple - he is respectful, very outgoing, super hard working, and smart (enough). He is working for a high-end custom home builder this summer. Builder has all his own subs, so Nathan will get a good sense of what he enjoys. He fully intends to go into a trade and start his own business in the 10 year time frame. I'm actually jealous of the opportunity he has in front of him. Perhaps I'll be his shark tank and take 20% of the company up front.

                          Now that I typed all of this, sounds like he's screwed. He won't be able to find good employees.

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                            #43
                            Same here. I’ve been trying to hire technicians as well. Some don’t show up for the interviews and some once they find out the work actually involved decline the position. I had my first positive interview today on an Engineering Technician position. Individual was very prompt and positive on the interview and was eager to learn. Made the offer and he accepted. Hiring is hard on everyone currently.

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                              #44
                              I get recruiters sending invitations to apply regularly. Although I am not looking for a job the license I hold and background are the factors involved. The trouble is the pay and benefits are peanuts. The starting pay is often well below what a person raising a family, wanting to own a home, etc, needs to have a decent life. I understand companies have to make money for the employees to make money but the stupid pay for management and CEOs compared to the gears that drive the money coming in is so unbalanced anymore I couldn't work in the corporate environment. America has a bunch of issues that are not gonna fix themselves and entitlement, from that of the wealthy to the poor, is a big one. The rift in between is widening.
                              Is it rude to not show, not call? Yes. It's also rude to take time off of work to govtoban interview and never hear back. It goes both ways.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Tex_Cattleman View Post
                                My son is 17. Every time I hear this "story" I remind him that he has a rainbow in front of him with a pot of gold way before the end. It's simple - he is respectful, very outgoing, super hard working, and smart (enough). He is working for a high-end custom home builder this summer. Builder has all his own subs, so Nathan will get a good sense of what he enjoys. He fully intends to go into a trade and start his own business in the 10 year time frame. I'm actually jealous of the opportunity he has in front of him. Perhaps I'll be his shark tank and take 20% of the company up front.

                                Now that I typed all of this, sounds like he's screwed. He won't be able to find good employees.

                                It sounds like you’re raising a solid young man. If he stays the course, I still believe the world will be his oyster, particularly above those of his piers.


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