Another one!!

[Bjayroe]

Prayers for sure!

Those situations are terrible!

Prayers sent!!

https://abc7ny.com/active-shooter-lo...oday/13109212/

[tvc184]

Well if people refuse to hire someone that is able to protect others or let the staff carry a weapon they can't really expect it not to happen or be surprised when it does. This is only the umpteenth time it's happened. Just another day in America.

I am all for hiring security but I doubt any will actually stop most or any of these attacks.

When a person has time to plan, how do you stop an attack?

[okrattler]

I am all for hiring security but I doubt any will actually stop most or any of these attacks.

When a person has time to plan, how do you stop an attack?

The plan in most if not all of these scenarios is to go in and start shooting. They don't plan on anyone being in there that's going to shoot back. I'd rather take that out of the plan. When seconds count the cops are still minutes away. That's not said to bash cops. That's just the way it is.

[Cajun Blake]

The plan in most if not all of these scenarios is to go in and start shooting. They don't plan on anyone being in there that's going to shoot back. I'd rather take that out of the plan. When seconds count the cops are still minutes away. That's not said to bash cops. That's just the way it is.

Like all previous shooting incidents, this case was different. The shooter was an employee who gained access to the bank before normal banking hours (opens for business at 9:00am). He was previously notified that he was about to be fired, quite possibly on Friday which is why he retaliated first thing Monday morning. Since other employees likely had no knowledge he was about to be fired, they acted like a normal routine workday and NO ONE saw it coming. The shooter arrived at work and started shooting just after 8:30am. Police officers / first responders arrived on scene and engaged the shooter within 3 minutes.

Interesting note: Kentucky is a “permitless carry” state, meaning gun owners over 21 are legally allowed to carry concealed guns in public without a license. That being said, I seriously doubt bank management would allow employees to carry while on the job. Maybe I'm wrong as other facts and Management decisions will be shared over the next several days.

Same played out scenario ... a frickin coward experiencing suicidal ideations decides to kill innocent people because he doesn't have the balls to seek help for his own mental health condition.

[PondPopper]

Like all previous shooting incidents, this case was different. The shooter was an employee who gained access to the bank before normal banking hours (opens for business at 9:00am). He was previously notified that he was about to be fired, quite possibly on Friday which is why he retaliated first thing Monday morning. Since other employees likely had no knowledge he was about to be fired, they acted like a normal routine workday and NO ONE saw it coming. The shooter arrived at work and started shooting just after 8:30am. Police officers / first responders arrived on scene and engaged the shooter within 3 minutes.

Interesting note: Kentucky is a “permitless carry” state, meaning gun owners over 21 are legally allowed to carry concealed guns in public without a license. That being said, I seriously doubt bank management would allow employees to carry while on the job. Maybe I'm wrong as other facts and Management decisions will be shared over the next several days.

Same played out scenario ... a frickin coward experiencing suicidal ideations decides to kill innocent people because he doesn't have the balls to seek help for his own mental health condition.

I have never been fired from a job but I know for a fact that I have never had a job worth killing over…
Some things just make 0 sense..
He was mad at a particular person is my bet or he was just a nut job!!

[tvc184]

The plan in most if not all of these scenarios is to go in and start shooting. They don't plan on anyone being in there that's going to shoot back. I'd rather take that out of the plan. When seconds count the cops are still minutes away. That's not said to bash cops. That's just the way it is.

At Columbine (which seems to have started this mess) there was an officer on scene as there was every day. Klebold and Harris knew where he sat for lunch and plan on taking him out at the onset. The officer changed his routine if I remember correctly, and had brown-bagged that day. Instead of being in the cafeteria, was in his vehicle eating. I believe that Harris and Klebold planted a propane bomb in the cafeteria, intending to take out the police officer. It failed on two counts because the officer was not there and because the bomb failed to detonate. But… having the officer on campus did not deter them, and they had plans to take him out.

The most deadly school shooting in American history was at Virginia Tech. They did not have an officer on campus, they had an entire police force. The shooter knew that and walked into the building with concealed handguns. Once inside, he put chains with padlocks around the handles of the entrance doors and kept the police out. So the most deadly school shooting in American history had several officers on duty at the time. The guy, however, had time to plan, just like they did in Columbine.

In the Orlando nightclub shooting there was an off duty officer on scene and the shooter walked past him and started shooting, killing 49 victims.

At Stoneman Douglas, school in Florida, there was a police officer assigned and was on scene. While the officers actions were cowardly, that did not stop the shooter who knew the officer was there.

In the Santa Fe, Texas school shooting, I believe there were at least two police officers on duty.

All of these and others were planned out well ahead of time, sometimes more than a year.

These murderers are not caused by people who are on a whim said hey, I think I’ll go kill someone some people this afternoon.

They are well thought out and planned and having security on scene, an example of Virginia Tech with an entire police department, did not deter them. They write manifestoes or leave suicide notes so that everybody knows why they did what they did.

I am all for security. When the shooting starts, it has the chance of reducing the number of fatalities. It certainly won’t stop them.

Oh yeah, I think the largest mass murder at an American school was not a shooting. It was a bombing, way back in the 1920s where I believe how about 50 people were killed.

People intent on destruction, with time to plan and without regard to getting out alive, will not be deterred by armed security.

[GA Bowhunter]

The article I read was on CNN. They stated that mass shootings were a "uniquely American phenomenon". They are wrong, but don't let fact stand in the way of your agenda.

They also mentioned that there have been over 145 mass shootings (4 or more people shot, other than the shooter) this year. They did not mention the majority of those were in the hood. They want their readers to think 145 schools have been shot up.

To their credit, they did not call the weapon an "assault rifle".

[manwitaplan]

"The gunman is believed to be an employee and may have had mental health issues, according to a federal law enforcement source

How did they already know he had mental health issues? Who knew and did not report it. It seems as soon as they investigate within a few hours all kinds of people knew the shooter had mental health problems. How can we not get a grasp that the root freakin cause is Mental Health. There had to be something done. I wonder if he was getting fired for being a mental issue employee?


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[diamond10x]

Sad deal.

Another one of those pronoun people with issues…

[okrattler]

At Columbine (which seems to have started this mess) there was an officer on scene as there was every day. Klebold and Harris knew where he sat for lunch and plan on taking him out at the onset. The officer changed his routine if I remember correctly, and had brown-bagged that day. Instead of being in the cafeteria, was in his vehicle eating. I believe that Harris and Klebold planted a propane bomb in the cafeteria, intending to take out the police officer. It failed on two counts because the officer was not there and because the bomb failed to detonate. But… having the officer on campus did not deter them, and they had plans to take him out.

The most deadly school shooting in American history was at Virginia Tech. They did not have an officer on campus, they had an entire police force. The shooter knew that and walked into the building with concealed handguns. Once inside, he put chains with padlocks around the handles of the entrance doors and kept the police out. So the most deadly school shooting in American history had several officers on duty at the time. The guy, however, had time to plan, just like they did in Columbine.

In the Orlando nightclub shooting there was an off duty officer on scene and the shooter walked past him and started shooting, killing 49 victims.

At Stoneman Douglas, school in Florida, there was a police officer assigned and was on scene. While the officers actions were cowardly, that did not stop the shooter who knew the officer was there.

In the Santa Fe, Texas school shooting, I believe there were at least two police officers on duty.

All of these and others were planned out well ahead of time, sometimes more than a year.

These murderers are not caused by people who are on a whim said hey, I think I’ll go kill someone some people this afternoon.

They are well thought out and planned and having security on scene, an example of Virginia Tech with an entire police department, did not deter them. They write manifestoes or leave suicide notes so that everybody knows why they did what they did.

I am all for security. When the shooting starts, it has the chance of reducing the number of fatalities. It certainly won’t stop them.

Oh yeah, I think the largest mass murder at an American school was not a shooting. It was a bombing, way back in the 1920s where I believe how about 50 people were killed.

People intent on destruction, with time to plan and without regard to getting out alive, will not be deterred by armed security.

I don't think it would deter them necessarily. But I do think at least one armed person would make it a more even playing field. Add one or two more and it's not in the bad guys favor at all. Which is what I'd like to see happen. 3 minutes is a fast response time from the police. But I don't think that I'd like to wait that long. I know I wouldn't. A person could get a lot of shootin done in 3 minutes. I wasn't ever super good at hide and go seek. I ain't tryin to bet on the shooter not being a good seeker.

[PondPopper]

How did they already know he had mental health issues? Who knew and did not report it. It seems as soon as they investigate within a few hours all kinds of people knew the shooter had mental health problems. How can we not get a grasp that the root freakin cause is Mental Health. There had to be something done. I wonder if he was getting fired for being a mental issue employee?


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Just pay attention and notice how many times the feds already know a lot about these shooters in advance. It is interesting.