Gratuity on Hunts?

[sotx]

When servers made half of minimum wage and the rest was supposed to be made up of tips I understood it.
The point with guides is they often don't get paid except for the tips.
Bob owns the land and the animal you're hunting. Jim guides you and takes care of your trophy. But doesn't get paid by Bob. Jim gets what you tip him. If it's $300 on a three day hunt he made $100 a day.

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In that scenerio in my opinion Bob is a A Hole. Pay your employees Bob! Jim know your worth, tell Bob to cram it.

[M16]

In that scenerio in my opinion Bob is a A Hole. Pay your employees Bob! Jim know your worth, tell Bob to cram it.

Bob is pretty smart. Jim is really stupid.

[RWNJRB]

When you go to a fancy restaurant or just a regular restaurant. they deal with you for hour or so and expect 20% based on service of course. Most guides deal with you 8 plus hours a day for however many days you are there, so.......just saying.

[CaptainDave]

When you go to a fancy restaurant or just a regular restaurant. they deal with you for hour or so and expect 20% based on service of course. Most guides deal with you 8 plus hours a day for however many days you are there, so.......just saying.

Traditionally, waiters aren't paid the standard minimum wage and it's understood that a significant part of their earnings come from tips. That is not necessarily true for guides and the comparision to the traditional wait staff at a restaraunt is not comparing apples to apples.

Why don't some of these outfitters and guides just charge a flat service fee? This is what some vacation resorts, country clubs, etc. do for their help. This puts everything up-front and helps avoid confusion and headache on the customer's part. If a customer is inclined to privately slide someone a couple extra bills, so be it. Or as a few others have mentioned, at least provide specific details on the gratuity expectations.

For the record, I'm not against tipping guides and have tipped some well for good service. However, in certain cases, I find the notion of tipping 15-20% of the trip fee and citing the traditional restaraunt model for reasoning to be a bit ridiculous.

[A&M 90]

Ever think that's because the hospital is ***** raping the insurance and patient already?

Not always from what I've seen lately. Needed an emergency eye procedure performed recently by a world renowned specialist/surgeon. Would have lost my sight in the affected eye but for the surgery. I was floored at how relatively little the surgeon was paid by my insurance for his level of skill and expertise. I'm going find out his favorite spirit and get him a quality bottle.

Skilled doctors, surgeons and health care providers are far more valuable than any guide. Maybe it's time society reassessed the tipping matrix.

[eastover53]

Two things that I have learned from this thread.

1. I can't afford pay hunts.

2. I can't afford the tips either.

[RiverRat1]

In that scenerio in my opinion Bob is a A Hole. Pay your employees Bob! Jim know your worth, tell Bob to cram it.

I sold hunts for a few years. If Bob paid Jim $150 a day then his hunts will cost double compared to other outfitters.

You can say all day long it doesn't matter but I 100% promise you 80+% of people booking hunts look at cost first.

Bob would be out of business.

[DRT]

There aren't any ranches, outfitters or guides getting rich off of hunts.

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[bullets13]

There aren't any ranches, outfitters or guides getting rich off of hunts.

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If somebody wasn’t making a pile off of them, then ranch owners wouldn’t be paying outfitters, guides, cooks, housekeepers, etc. to accommodate strangers coming onto their place to shoot their animals.. I do agree that guides aren’t getting rich off of hunts.

[Philip-TX]

I sold hunts for a few years. If Bob paid Jim $150 a day then his hunts will cost double compared to other outfitters.

You can say all day long it doesn't matter but I 100% promise you 80+% of people booking hunts look at cost first.

Bob would be out of business.

Market it as "No tip required"....

[M16]

If somebody wasn’t making a pile off of them, then ranch owners wouldn’t be paying outfitters, guides, cooks, housekeepers, etc. to accommodate strangers coming onto their place to shoot their animals.. I do agree that guides aren’t getting rich off of hunts.

Most outfitters pay ranchers. Not the other way around.

[bullets13]

Most outfitters pay ranchers. Not the other way around.

You’re right, misspoke on that. Doesn’t change the point I was making.

[cantexduck]

If somebody wasn’t making a pile off of them, then ranch owners wouldn’t be paying outfitters, guides, cooks, housekeepers, etc. to accommodate strangers coming onto their place to shoot their animals.. I do agree that guides aren’t getting rich off of hunts.

The money isn’t made from selling hunts. Hunts pay for operation expense. The money made is the appreciation of the land (and improvements ) .


And to add to my post before - I have had one person tip me with a letter of appreciation which was perfectly fine. Some don’t have the money to tip much after saving. Showing appreciation means something.

[Johnny_Dodson]

I think it should be in the fee I pay for the hunt and the guide should be paid by outfitter/ranch owner.
However, it isn’t so if I am going to book a hunt I’m going to tip 10-20%. However, if the hunt is 10k plus I doubt I’m tipping 20%. Like said earlier the amount of work for a 140” whitetail and 170” isn’t much difference in guide work.


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[RiverRat1]

If somebody wasn’t making a pile off of them, then ranch owners wouldn’t be paying outfitters, guides, cooks, housekeepers, etc. to accommodate strangers coming onto their place to shoot their animals.. I do agree that guides aren’t getting rich off of hunts.

You have never owned a ranch obviously. Unless land is given to someone or they're already rich the land almost never makes a profit.

Please do the math and show me how I can buy enough land to sell hunts on and walk away with land plus a pile of money. Maybe I've been doing it all wrong the last 8 years We do everything we can think of to bring in income to make the ranch lose less money. Sold hunts, cabin is BnB, run cattle etc.

I think it should be in the fee I pay for the hunt and the guide should be paid by outfitter/ranch owner.
However, it isn’t so if I am going to book a hunt I’m going to tip 10-20%. However, if the hunt is 10k plus I doubt I’m tipping 20%. Like said earlier the amount of work for a 140” whitetail and 170” isn’t much difference in guide work.

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What? That's like saying a bass fishing guide that helps you land a 6 pound bass is the same as one that helps you land a 12 pounder.

Bucks don't magically grow on every ranch. There are a hundred things that happen from Jan once season ends all the way until hunting begins.