30.06/30.07 question

[ctom87]

Can a working security guard that is not a LEO bring a pistol into a building with 30.06/30.07 signs in place? If he is LEO and this is his second job, could he bring a pistol into a building with 30.06/30.07 signs in place?

Lastly, if the 2nd scenario is accurate and LEO not acting as LEO but as security guard can in fact bring a pistol into a building with 30.06/30.07 signs in place, is there any department out there that would hire or continue to employ a guy with a man bun?

[bullets13]

I know these answers, but I'm texting tvc to get on here and tell you, because I know that he KNOWS these answers.

[Hoggslayer]

Can a working security guard that is not a LEO bring a pistol into a building with 30.06/30.07 signs in place? If he is LEO and this is his second job, could he bring a pistol into a building with 30.06/30.07 signs in place?

Lastly, if the 2nd scenario is accurate and LEO not acting as LEO but as security guard can in fact bring a pistol into a building with 30.06/30.07 signs in place, is there any department out there that would hire or continue to employ a guy with a man bun?

I think it should be illegal for a guy with a man bun to posses a fire arm.

[ctom87]

I think it should be illegal for a guy with a man bun to posses a fire arm.

I didn't realize 6.5 CM was a caliber used for pistols to be honest.

[bullets13]

off duty LEOs aren't subject to 30.06 and 30.07 laws. not sure where man buns comes in, but if you're an LEO and have one, you still aren't subject to 30.06 and 30.07 laws

[ctom87]

off duty LEOs aren't subject to 30.06 and 30.07 laws. not sure where man buns comes in, but if you're an LEO and have one, you still aren't subject to 30.06 and 30.07 laws

The reason I ask is because there is a security guard here at work that has a pistol on his hip, but - and I hate to stereotype - he just doesn't look like the LEO type.

Usually, those folks are in decent shape, don't wear masks 24/7, don't have man buns or pony tails, and their overall appearance is more kept. I am just wondering if he knows what he is doing or not.

I mean, I don't care, because I have seen this for a few months now and no one has been shot, so there is that.

Also it is hard to imagine LEO having two full time jobs.

I am going to ask him and see what he says.

[bullets13]

The reason I ask is because there is a security guard here at work that has a pistol on his hip, but - and I hate to stereotype - he just doesn't look like the LEO type.

Usually, those folks are in decent shape, don't wear masks 24/7, don't have man buns or pony tails, and their overall appearance is more kept. I am just wondering if he knows what he is doing or not.

I mean, I don't care, because I have seen this for a few months now and no one has been shot, so there is that.

Also it is hard to imagine LEO having two full time jobs.

I am going to ask him and see what he says.

I'm assuming "here" is your place of work, and it has signs up. edit, you clearly stated that.
Commissioned security guards can carry on the job at buildings that do not allow the general public to carry. TVC will hopefully get on and list statutes and whatnot.

[tvc184]

The reason I ask is because there is a security guard here at work that has a pistol on his hip, but - and I hate to stereotype - he just doesn't look like the LEO type.

Usually, those folks are in decent shape, don't wear masks 24/7, don't have man buns or pony tails, and their overall appearance is more kept. I am just wondering if he knows what he is doing or not.

I mean, I don't care, because I have seen this for a few months now and no one has been shot, so there is that.

Also it is hard to imagine LEO having two full time jobs.

I am going to ask him and see what he says.

I know of no law that exempts a security officer/guard from the signs.

Not only is a police officer on or off duty not covered by 30.06/30.07 signs, it is up to a $1,000 penalty to try and stop an officer from using a business while carrying a weapon if the reason is for the weapon. Every once in a while, we see a news story like a Starbucks somewhere did not allow an officer to come in and buy coffee because he was armed. In Texas it could cost $1,000 per incident.

That is why the NFL cannot stop Texas police officers from entering a stadium while off duty if they are carrying a weapon. Every other stadium in the country bans off duty carry except in Houston and Dallas.

[Bobcat13]

Think I'll grow a man bun to throw off the bad guys. Thanks for the tip!

[bullets13]

I know of no law that exempts a security officer/guard from the signs.

Not only is a police officer on or off duty not covered by 30.06/30.07 signs, it is up to a $1,000 penalty to try and stop an officer from using a business while carrying a weapon if the reason is for the weapon. Every once in a while, we see a news story like a Starbucks somewhere did not allow an officer to come in and buy coffee because he was armed. In Texas it could cost $1,000 per incident.

That is why the NFL cannot stop Texas police officers from entering a stadium while off duty if they are carrying a weapon. Every other stadium in the country bans off duty carry except in Houston and Dallas.

my dad is a commissioned security guard. one thing I found interesting is that he can be in uniform and carry at work, but cannot open or conceal carry anywhere else while in his uniform. They take off their shirts on their way home if they have to stop anywhere (grocery store, gas station, etc.) to avoid breaking the law.

[LWD]

The only way I think the security guard carries past the signs is if he has been hired to work security in the building. Presumably, the building owner or manager knew and intended to hire armed security for the building and want him there. Otherwise, he's got a problem.

[ctom87]

Interesting conversation to say the least.

I asked him if he was an off duty LEO. No.

I asked him how he could carry in the building. He said "if you have any problems or questions you can contact corporate security. They just wanted someone in here that carried."

I followed up...Oh so you have your LTC?...yes...

So how come you get past the signs? "I'm not really sure but Corporate Security said it was ok."

I was also wrong about manbun, it is in fact a pony tail.

[tvc184]

Interesting conversation to say the least.

I asked him if he was an off duty LEO. No.

I asked him how he could carry in the building. He said "if you have any problems or questions you can contact corporate security. They just wanted someone in here that carried."

I followed up...Oh so you have your LTC?...yes...

So how come you get past the signs? "I'm not really sure but Corporate Security said it was ok."

I was also wrong about manbun, it is in fact a pony tail.

If the owner or manager wanted him there, there is no crime.

All trespassing in Texas requires that the owner did not want you there or did not want you there under certain circumstances and in either case gave you a warning. Pass it a signed in itself is not a crime however. Crime is being somewhere without permission of the owner.

Passing the sign itself is not a crime if the owner gives his consent.

An example would be like you having a fence around your house and several no trespassing signs. One day you invite your neighbor over to drink a beer and a police officer sees your neighbor walk past the gate and arrests him. You run outside and tell the officer that it is okay because you gave him permission to be on the property. The officer has no authority to say, too bad, because you put up a sign, and now he’s going to jail.

No trespassing signs only apply to who the owner wants them to apply to.

From your latest description it sounds like the owner has either given him permission or has hired him as armed security. In either situation, the sign has no legal bearing.

[ctom87]

Excellent explanation, thank you!

[tvc184]

In the for what it’s worth department…..

If someone is curious about the law that not only exempts police officers whether on or off duty for trespassing, it imposes a fine to stop the officer.

Art. 2.1305. CARRYING WEAPON ON CERTAIN PREMISES. (a) An establishment serving the public may not prohibit or otherwise restrict a peace officer or special investigator from carrying on the establishment's premises a weapon that the peace officer or special investigator is otherwise authorized to carry, regardless of whether the peace officer or special investigator is engaged in the actual discharge of the officer's or investigator's duties while carrying the weapon.
(b) For purposes of this article:
(1) "Establishment serving the public" means:
(A) a hotel, motel, or other place of lodging;
(B) a restaurant or other place where food is offered for sale to the public;
(C) a retail business or other commercial establishment or an office building to which the general public is invited;
(D) a sports venue; and
(E) any other place of public accommodation, amusement, convenience, or resort to which the general public or any classification of persons from the general public is regularly, normally, or customarily invited.
(2) "Sports venue" means an arena, coliseum, stadium, or other type of area or facility that is primarily used or is planned for primary use for one or more professional or amateur sports or athletics events and for which a fee is charged or is planned to be charged for admission to the sports or athletics events, other than occasional civic, charitable, or promotional events.
(c) An establishment serving the public that violates this article is subject to a civil penalty in the amount of $1,000 for each violation. The attorney general may sue to collect a civil penalty under this subsection. Money collected under this subsection shall be deposited in the state treasury to the credit of the general revenue fund