Learn me on applicator license

[30-30]

The threshold for legally purchasing restricted herbicides without a license is 1-quart bottles. That's why tractor supply and other retailers carry quarts of Tordon, etc.

The Texas Department of Agriculture handles licensing. This link takes you to the forms you might need (Application for commercial/non-commercial/private license). As a landowner spraying on your own property, if you want to use restricted herbicides you would need a private applicator license. Non-commercial is for government agency employees, and commercial is for anyone else spraying for hire or as part of their job description.

https://www.texasagriculture.gov/Forms.aspx

Order your study books here.

https://agrilife.org/aes/files/2021/04/TDA-order-form-1.22.21.pdf

You will need the "Applicator General" and "Laws and Regulations" books, and as far as I know (at least for the commercial license) at least one category endorsement is required.

Mail in your completed application form and TDA will mail you instructions for scheduling your test.

[30-30]

A proper mix of glyphosate (roundup) and triclopyr (garlon) should kill most fenceline vegetation. The hard stuff can help finish off roses and such, but it might not be worth the hassle of getting licensed if you can get Garlon4 for free and re-treat a few times a year.

[Palmetto]

Some misleading information in this thread. You don't need an applicator license to clean up your fence rows.

2-4-D is a regulated herbicide in Texas. https://texasagriculture.gov/Regulat...erbicides.aspx Without an applicator license, the most you can buy at one time is 1 quart. 2-4-D is a selective herbicide, and used as a broadleaf weed killer. What that means is when mixed and applied correctly, it will kill the weeds but not kill your pasture grasses.

Glyphosate is not regulated, and can be bought by anyone. This is what most people call "Round-up". Read the label, and mix some triclopyr (remedy or garlon) with it to clean up your fence lines. Be mindfull of the drip edge of any good trees you want to keep alive.

[Benno]

Isn't Grazon just 2,4,D?

No. As stated below, grazon will kill “woody” plants. Never used Garlon, been using Grazon P+D and surmount with air force surfactant. Many people will tell you the surfactant doesn’t matter, it does. Keep in mind when spraying the vegetation you have to hit every leaf on the plant to kill it. Miss one and it will stay green and the plant will come back. Use the recommended application rate, it is a slow kill, you dont want to burn the leaves off too fast.

No. Someone can come along and explain the exacts but the way i understand it. Grazon is better for mature weeds, Vines and some woody plants. As where 2-4-D is more of a soft stem and small weed killer.

We always spray 2-4D early in the season on yellow tops etc. Then later spring or summer spraying bull nettle, Goat weeds blackberry vines etc I always use grazon.

I cant say that its the exact thing to do but it works.

Ive been Spraying Grazon and Remedy mix the last few days on fence rows and new pasture thats been neglected.

[30-30]

Isn't Grazon just 2,4,D?

There are several Grazon products, but "Grazon p+d" is 2,4-D and Picloram. Be very careful using Picloram anywhere near desirable trees or wetlands.

[175gr7.62]

What is the the stuff the ROW guys spray that kills everything? I want my fence rows to look like the surface of the moon.

[tps7742]

Experiment yourself or talk to the trusted farmers around you.

[Benno]

What is the the stuff the ROW guys spray that kills everything? I want my fence rows to look like the surface of the moon.

Not sure what the ROW guys use, but we’ve sprayed more than a couple miles of fence lines with Remedy and diesel. It will kill everything, trees, brush, grass....
Depending how much fence you have, do the math on buying a drum vs 2.5 gal jugs. It will save money if you’re going to use that much. Assuming you’re using a 20 to 50 gal spray tank you will need a pump designed for diesel or it will destroy the pump you have.

[planomustang]

Experiment yourself or talk to the trusted farmers around you.

Another idea is to talk to your chemical/fertilizer supplier. They can be a wealth of knowledge. I spent last week spraying a Grazon PD/Remedy/Surfactant recipe, that I got from Roth Fertilizer, in Bowie. They have been in the business for years, and they are Aggie grads.

I used their recipe to spray 35 acres for weeds, briars, and small Black Locust trees.
For 100 gallons:
1 qt. Triclopyr (Remedy)
1 gal. Grazon PD
2 qt. Surfactant
Spray at 20 gallons per acre.

I sprayed 20 acres on Wednesday, then 15 acres on Thursday. Then got a 1" rain Friday morning. Went back on Monday, and I definitely got a good kill on the broadleaves (mostly yellow top and dove weed). The small black locusts were definitely burned, and some briars are showing a few spots. Will check again, later this week.

I was a little skeptical of this mix, since I normally mix 2.5 gallons of Triclopyr per 100 gallons of spray. That is the normal foliar spray mix for Triclopyr. If the mix I used actually works against briars and black locust, I will assume the abundant use of Surfactant is the key, and mixing with PD, helps. In the past, I have been using cheap laundry soap, instead of surfactant. After this weeks test, Surfactant is the way to go. It breaks down the waxy film on briars, the dries to a sticky/gooey mess, that does not wash away.

Roth talked to me about another option to Grazon PD. Do a search on "Patriot Herbicide". It is not controlled (for now), and it is cheap. $88 per pint, which will cover 50 acres of our pasture land. That is much cheaper than Grazon PD. I have read the label for Patriot, and mixes vary from .2 to .5 ounces per acre, depending on your need.

I bought a pint of Patriot, and Roth has a recipe for mixing it with Remedy, that they say has worked out well. I will get the details from them, later. Final note on Patriot, if it works, then it is a much cheaper alternative to Grazon PD, without the license. Patriot even has a residual affect, which Picloram provides with Grazon.

Grazon PD vs. 24-d: The difference is the P, which stands for Picloram. It has the residual affect, that acts like a pre-emergent, in following seasons. It works. I sprayed the same 35 acres, last July, with Grazon PD. My adjacent neighbors did no spraying. Their pastures are covered in yellow top, with full bloom. My pasture has about 20 percent yellow top, that is only 5-6" tall, with no blooms. They rain I got after spraying, will work Picloram into the ground, where it works as a pre-emergent.

Triclopyr vs Remedy: Same stuff, and uncontrolled. Remedy at TSC is $90 per gallon. I get Triclopyr, at Roth, for $54 per gallon. That may not mean much, if you use a gallon per year, but I use a lot, both basal spray with diesel and foliar spray.

Will keep you posted, as I learn more about the latest mix and the new mix with Patriot.

Randy

[RMW]

Them CEU’s suck and a waste of time

[Palmetto]

Another idea is to talk to your chemical/fertilizer supplier. They can be a wealth of knowledge. I spent last week spraying a Grazon PD/Remedy/Surfactant recipe, that I got from Roth Fertilizer, in Bowie. They have been in the business for years, and they are Aggie grads.

I used their recipe to spray 35 acres for weeds, briars, and small Black Locust trees.
For 100 gallons:
1 qt. Triclopyr (Remedy)
1 gal. Grazon PD
2 qt. Surfactant
Spray at 20 gallons per acre.

I sprayed 20 acres on Wednesday, then 15 acres on Thursday. Then got a 1" rain Friday morning. Went back on Monday, and I definitely got a good kill on the broadleaves (mostly yellow top and dove weed). The small black locusts were definitely burned, and some briars are showing a few spots. Will check again, later this week.

I was a little skeptical of this mix, since I normally mix 2.5 gallons of Triclopyr per 100 gallons of spray. That is the normal foliar spray mix for Triclopyr. If the mix I used actually works against briars and black locust, I will assume the abundant use of Surfactant is the key, and mixing with PD, helps. In the past, I have been using cheap laundry soap, instead of surfactant. After this weeks test, Surfactant is the way to go. It breaks down the waxy film on briars, the dries to a sticky/gooey mess, that does not wash away.

Roth talked to me about another option to Grazon PD. Do a search on "Patriot Herbicide". It is not controlled (for now), and it is cheap. $88 per pint, which will cover 50 acres of our pasture land. That is much cheaper than Grazon PD. I have read the label for Patriot, and mixes vary from .2 to .5 ounces per acre, depending on your need.

I bought a pint of Patriot, and Roth has a recipe for mixing it with Remedy, that they say has worked out well. I will get the details from them, later. Final note on Patriot, if it works, then it is a much cheaper alternative to Grazon PD, without the license. Patriot even has a residual affect, which Picloram provides with Grazon.

Grazon PD vs. 24-d: The difference is the P, which stands for Picloram. It has the residual affect, that acts like a pre-emergent, in following seasons. It works. I sprayed the same 35 acres, last July, with Grazon PD. My adjacent neighbors did no spraying. Their pastures are covered in yellow top, with full bloom. My pasture has about 20 percent yellow top, that is only 5-6" tall, with no blooms. They rain I got after spraying, will work Picloram into the ground, where it works as a pre-emergent.

Triclopyr vs Remedy: Same stuff, and uncontrolled. Remedy at TSC is $90 per gallon. I get Triclopyr, at Roth, for $54 per gallon. That may not mean much, if you use a gallon per year, but I use a lot, both basal spray with diesel and foliar spray.

Will keep you posted, as I learn more about the latest mix and the new mix with Patriot.

Randy

Patriot (MSM or metasulfuron methyl) is good stuff. It can kill bahiagrass!