2021 Formula 1 Season!!!

[Wall_Hanger]

Wow!!!![emoji2962] I said that to myself yesterday.
We are just getting home from mom and dad's after a week away. I will get it up tomorrow with the latest theories. We have locked in our Miami inaugural package (except hotel) and just waiting on our Austin to send our notice. We talked to a Spain [emoji633] bowhunting outfitter in Vegas at the SCI show and attempting to organize F1 and a [emoji469] [emoji964] somehow. 2022 could really be epic .......especially if covid releases the [emoji289].

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I figured you were our unofficial F1 steward haha. A Spanish double header would be great! Locked in our Zandvoort trip last month, I am absolutely stoked for that.

Agree ‘22 is going to be a heck of a year with the driver changes combined with new cars. Any idea what is actually going on with Red Bull Motors? I read a few days ago that Honda recommitted and was staying in through ‘23 I think? A bit confusing how that is going down.

[Landrover]

Land Rover, about time for a new ‘22 thread?

Wow!!!![emoji2962] I said that to myself yesterday.
We are just getting home from mom and dad's after a week away. I will get it up tomorrow with the latest theories. We have locked in our Miami inaugural package (except hotel) and just waiting on our Austin to send our notice. We talked to a Spain [emoji633] bowhunting outfitter in Vegas at the SCI show and attempting to organize F1 and a [emoji469] [emoji964] somehow. 2022 could really be epic .......especially if covid releases the [emoji289].

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[Wall_Hanger]

Land Rover, about time for a new ‘22 thread?

[Wall_Hanger]

2021 Formula 1 Season!!!

I wonder what it will go for at the auction?[emoji848] Seems rather low starting price based on what they cost and who the driver was. There is definitely a market for it.

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If there was even a remote possibility I would fit, I’d be bidding. I mean there’s no chance I’d win bidding at the opening price so what’s the harm haha.

I would bet it goes into the sever figures. That isn’t the championship car is it? Blanking on what years Alanso won but it was just before Hamilton’s first right?

Edit: it’s the ‘04 car so just before his tittles. Also, I had no idea of his non-F1 wins but that guy is impressive. Won Le Mans twice, FIA endurance championship and I believe Daytona. What a career.

[Landrover]

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/mot...BSNqUywVc7RITE

Here you go guys. Our chance to really own a fun toy!

I wonder what it will go for at the auction?[emoji848] Seems rather low starting price based on what they cost and who the driver was. There is definitely a market for it.

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[F1addict]

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/mot...BSNqUywVc7RITE

Here you go guys. Our chance to really own a fun toy!

I couldn’t even imagine driving that car! Maybe if we all go in together…


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[Wall_Hanger]

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/motorsport/nows-your-chance-buy-actual-fernando-alonso-f1-car?fbclid=IwAR0Lx9byBl3aEhHt0dXOCSEkys0-oKzUkADqkb18tpZwdBSNqUywVc7RITE

Here you go guys. Our chance to really own a fun toy!

[bossbowman]

So I know it isn't F1, but I have been itching for more racing since Abu Dhabi. Anyone here going to watch the 24 hours of Daytona this weekend? My suspension tuner is the lead suspension tuner for the #52 Wynn's LMP2. Looking forward to seeing some racing again and finally have a team to get behind!

24hrs daytona to be the first race I would watch to kick off the racing season, but now that first race is the chili bowl.

[WItoTX]

So I know it isn't F1, but I have been itching for more racing since Abu Dhabi. Anyone here going to watch the 24 hours of Daytona this weekend? My suspension tuner is the lead suspension tuner for the #52 Wynn's LMP2. Looking forward to seeing some racing again and finally have a team to get behind!

[Wall_Hanger]

So are they just calling it a Redbull engine since Honda is leaving???

It’s been kinda crazy the past several months seeing this play out but Red Bull is actually taking over Honda’s F1 power division. They did this for a few reasons but firstly it will allow them to continue with the same power unit they have had for the past several years and secondly, they will have this held as a separate division of red Bull so they will be able to do it and stay under the spending cap for 2022. The biggest issue Red Bull has had historically is that they are not a true motor company ie Mercedes/Aston Martin/Ferrari but they want to compete with them. By doing this, they will now have their own branded power unit division that in concept will make its way into all of the other Red Bull ventures. If it works it will be quite the game changer and will make them a true “constructor”. Williams has, and this is mostly water cooler talk, been frustrated with Mercedes giving them “N-2” technology ie two version old technology, and thus darrelton made the decision to go with the Honda/red Bull power unit and move away from the Mercedes. This could have huge implications should they become a true mid pack team next year and be competing with Alpha Tauri and/or McLaren or Ferrari.

[DaveC]

So are they just calling it a Redbull engine since Honda is leaving???

Haha, good question.
I bet they have an engine assembly line right next to their soda pop making machine.


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[F1addict]

Pretty crazy stats. Regardless of the opinion of him as a driver, Verstappen worked his butt off this year to be in contention with Merc who had arguably better cars and great drivers.

That’s a crazy stat!!


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[bossbowman]

Well, Albon to Williams just got a little more interesting.

So are they just calling it a Redbull engine since Honda is leaving???

[Wall_Hanger]

Pretty crazy stats. Regardless of the opinion of him as a driver, Verstappen worked his butt off this year to be in contention with Merc who had arguably better cars and great drivers.

[Wall_Hanger]

So, being well trained/coached since carts is his fault? Thx God he was as they had zero help. Since his rise and dominance has been treated like a business it is his fault? Pretty dang smart on his dad's and sponsors part! Taking advantage of the technology is a negative? Never....the sport is about tech. Having a teamate of value is part of the sport, not his decision. Business people make tweaks EVERYDAY to stay relevant as technology and KEY partnerships matter.
Heck, u or I can drive the car if it's that simple. We can "what if" and "how about" on everyone......but they are not even close wins, poles, DNF's, fastest laps, even starts. The same exact criticisms were applied to Tiger Woods.....even "Tiger proofed" golf courses to help lessor players..[emoji2962]...he still won. That's what winners do, exceed expectations no matter what,..... Ham will do the same. FIA blew the race and made rules along the way. Masi has proven he is not in the correct role and I suspect changes are coming. 2022 can't get here fast enough. We will be in Miami for the inaugural race in May and expect it to be [emoji91]. The debate won't stop about 2021 for decades, but I absolutely know how that last lap materialized was pure horse crap.

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You misread, or I didn’t explain very well, my point. That or your Hamilton fanboy butt hurt got in the way (kidding). I didn’t say anything about him being well coached in karts as a pejorative or for that matter his upbringing period.

Lewis won in ‘08 and then struggled the following seasons finishing 4 or 5 up through ‘12 when he joined Mercedes and left McLaren. From ‘07 - ‘12 Lewis had all kinds of on track issues and run-ins with the stewards over his driving and at one point I think got called in 5 races in a row (2009 I think) for infractions. He was not near the polished driver he is now. That’s a fact.

Merc at that point in 13’ had a completely different team and offering than it did in ‘08. Toto had joined and quickly convinced corporate to reinvest hundreds of millions into the team and Niki Lauda had joined as team coach. The investment Toto negotiated was chiefly to create the new v6 turbo hybrid power unit. When Lewis interviewed with Mercedes these were all things that would have gone into his calculus to improve his lot on the grid ie what seat gives me the best edge. This isn’t “what about”….it’s fact. To their credit, Mercedes saw in him what he could eventually be which was an F1 legend and not for what he was, a one time champion with a little baggage. Toto seems to have a knack for picking winners whether it is on the track on in the market.

When Mercedes debuted their new power unit in prerace testing they were leaps and bounds ahead of the rest. I’ve read and listened to Paddy Lowe and others describe how far ahead they were but here’s a taste, they freaking ran the motors tuned down for all of ‘14 in qualifying so no one knew how good they were because they feared FIA would regulate them. Copied a link below to a racefans article describing this. The point is that Lewis was a good driver that was fortunate to get into the right seat where he was able to become that dominating force. He wasn’t that force ‘09-‘12. Mercedes was dominant enough that they went for 8 constructors cups…that’s insane and a testimony to the package they have and good drivers they attract and develop. But a good driver in a crap car still won’t have the race pace to compete for a championship. Look at Alonso this year or Schumacher when he went to Ferrari in his first and second years there. The best car makes a good driver with great instincts into the best driver they can be.

Tiger analogy doesn’t fit. There is no engineering in golf. F1 at its core is an engineering contest. Everyone has access to the exact same clubs….golf comes down to abilities and training and perhaps you can argue there is some nuance in training that builds edge but that’s marginal. Tiger is a golf anomaly. But it’s nothing like F1. Put Nikita Mazapin in a Mercedes and he’ll beat George Russel’s Williams every weekend and Russel is far and away a better driver. Put Hamilton today in an Alpine and watch Verstappen mop the track every single weekend. Lewis is great because he worked so well with the team at Mercedes and the two of them got every ounce of performance they could out of those cars….that were already better than the rest of the grid haha. If Mercedes hadn’t been so overly dominate, there is no doubt that Lewis would still have been good but he would not of had the same level success.

https://www.racefans.net/2021/04/28/fear-of-rules-change-led-mercedes-to-run-dominant-2014-engine-in-idle-mode/