If you buy a gun at Academy, fill out your paper work very carefully

[Quackerbox]

Just go buy from a legit gun shop. Academy would’ve most likely sold him the wrong ammo if he had made the purchase

I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would buy a firearm at Academy.

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[Mike D]

Just had a buddy buy a deer rifle right before Christmas, with the 3 day hold. Last week he gets a call from the ATF saying he needed to take the gun back to the gun shop, he had a delayed hit on his background. He has bought 10+guns over the last 10 years or so. I told him I thought it was a scam but was able to verify that the ATF will call you and that he had a hit pop up from a case in 1995, when he was 17.



He took the gun back and has a lawyer now trying to figure out what the deal is.

Hmmmm, I’d be very skeptical of that one. I’d expect an agent to show up for something like that. I believe I would have requested one.


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[jshouse]

Never heard of such a thing?? Did he indeed have an issue with the law in 95??


I have had a customer get a deny when he always got proceeds before & called out the examiner to the fact...they said they would call right back & they did apologizing profusely. NICS uses 3 computers to cross reference & if you have a common name with some thug, you can expect a delay & in this case mistaken identity with a deny. This why getting your carry permit or even a NICS UPIN (unique personal identification number) to put on the 4473 will avoid these issues.

Yes, I didn't ask a lot of questions, but yes.

Hmmmm, I’d be very skeptical of that one. I’d expect an agent to show up for something like that. I believe I would have requested one.


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I was too, I'm LE and called one of our detectives (who was skeptical as well) who called an ATF agent directly and asked him if they call people on the phone. He said yes they do and advised my friend to follow the instructions he was given lol.

I'll check in with him today and see if he has an update.

[AntlerCollector]

Yes, I didn't ask a lot of questions, but yes.



I was too, I'm LE and called one of our detectives (who was skeptical as well) who called an ATF agent directly and asked him if they call people on the phone. He said yes they do and advised my friend to follow the instructions he was given lol.

I'll check in with him today and see if he has an update.

In for the rest of this story. Let us know what happened in 95

[Fajkus7]

I have to wonder why it's necessary to fill out a stupid form when you have background checks. How many marijuana users lie on the form about drug use? But make one little mistake and hell no you can't buy a gun.

You would be shocked by how many don’t lie and get denied

[jshouse]

In for the rest of this story. Let us know what happened in 95

his attorney is still working on trying to figure out what happened with the paperwork in 95, it was a charge that was supposed to have been dismissed via probation. since 95 he he has bought several other guns, gotten a passport and volunteered at his kids school without ever having a problem, something just tripped with this last one.

[Tuffbroadhead]

Yikes!! A call from the BAFTE would suck. I had a friend have a two BAFTE Agents show up at his house inquiring about his purchases and tax stamps. He told the agents to remain outside on the porch. Buddy went in and got his "portfolio" as he calls it and presented it to the Agents. One of the Agents asked if he could see the NFA items, buddy told them they were not entering his house without a warrant and that the upkeep of paperwork and tax stamps should suffice. They Thanked him for his cooperation and handed him back his portfolio and left, never heard another thing out of them.

[Turbo6]

Kudos to Academy

If your "friend" can't read and answer a few simple question, he has no reason buying a gun.

He is a resident alien, and, knowing some of the clerks at Academy (there are some good ones too, not trashing all Academy employees) he may very well have filled it out correctly, and they didn't know that a resident alien can legally purchase a firearm. The thing that really irks me is not telling him what he did wrong. For those of you who said that he should buy it somewhere else, good luck finding a Hellcat at a local shop in stock for MSRP or less. There's a shop on my way to work that is asking $100 over MSRP. I like to patronize small businesses, but I won't let them steal me blind. I found the gun at Academy for him, and I didn't see it available anywhere else.

Also, don't play the immigrant/race card. Looks petty. If you want the $100 off, play by the stores rules or else go buy it for more elsewhere.

Add to that that no criminal is going to care about lying on that form and that a very few convicted felons get prosecuted for trying to buy a gun illegally, even though they have the form they signed as evidence. Gun laws are for the law-abiding only.

Agree that no criminal is going to care about lying but that doesn't mean we should give a road map to them.

[ultrastealth]

Kudos to Academy

If your "friend" can't read and answer a few simple question, he has no reason buying a gun.



Also, don't play the immigrant/race card. Looks petty. If you want the $100 off, play by the stores rules or else go buy it for more elsewhere.



Agree that no criminal is going to care about lying but that doesn't mean we should give a road map to them.

I didn't play the "immigrant/race card". I said that it is possible that the Academy employee didn't know that legal immigrants can buy a firearm. I make mistakes on forms, and I'm wagering that you do too. On the other hand, I may not be as perfect as you, in which case, I stand corrected.

[BBReezen]

It’s not academy’s fault to know what answer is right or wrong for a specific individual. It’s the individuals responsibility to fill it out right and truthfully. The answer he gave wasn’t wrong, it just wasn’t compliant with a PASS

“Oh hey mr illegal alien felon, you can’t buy this gun unless you mark these answers like this, which may not be true to you...”.

[ultrastealth]

It’s not academy’s fault to know what answer is right or wrong for a specific individual. It’s the individuals responsibility to fill it out right and truthfully. The answer he gave wasn’t wrong, it just wasn’t compliant with a PASS

“Oh hey mr illegal alien felon, you can’t buy this gun unless you mark these answers like this, which may not be true to you...”.

So, now he's an illegal alien? How did you weave that into this. All that I said is that he deserved to know what answer disqualified him. News flash, he did find the gun elsewhere, and purchased it legally. There are a whole lot of people on this thread with an axe to grind.

[justletmein]

The problem with telling people which answer DQ'd them is that it's literally a tutorial for the real "badguys" who would simply know which answer to change/lie about the next time. Pretty silly request honestly.

[Turbo6]

The problem with telling people which answer DQ'd them is that it's literally a tutorial for the real "badguys" who would simply know which answer to change/lie about the next time. Pretty silly request honestly.

It sounds simple but the OP just doesn't get it. It sounds like he is the one with an axe to grind....

[meltingfeather]

laws are for the law-abiding only.

FIFY
is that news to anyone?

[Artos]

Some of you guys need to get off your high horse...HIs friend bought the gun somewhere else & their brazen policy cost them a sale & future customer. I've been an ffl since 07 & every inspecting agent has told me they have NEVER had an audit that has significant volume without finding a mistake of some sort & that is all on me whether I missed or something from the buyer overlooked. They do not care about the small stuff like a missed check off from either the buyer or ffl if there is a nics approval or LTC listed. Their concerns are about FFL's being indifferent & seeing carelessness being rampant where traceability / Straws / etc. type concerns come into play.


12.d.1. ARE YOU AN ALIEN WHO HAS BEEN ADMITTED TO THE U.S. UNDER AN IMMIGRANT VISA? YES NO

12.d.2. IF 'YES' DO YOU FALL WITHIN ANY OF THE EXCEPTIONS STATED IN THE INSTRUCTIONS? NA YES NO

The wrong box on d2 is getting checked off hundreds if not thousands of times a day. Someone please tell me why checking the wrong box here is worthy of not receiving a firearm if otherwise one is going to pass a nics check or you have your ltc?? Last IA says it is the #1 correction or oversight & wishes ATF would re-word. How would telling the customer to re-read & correct 12.d.2 give a huge heads up to felon?? Why not allow customers know where they went wrong here??

We cannot transfer a gun even you have your ltc unless the paperwork is correct & I'm willing to wager this was the mistake made as all the other are very clear...how hard is it to have them re-read, line out, initiaL & correct 12.d.2?? I've had business owners, Dr's, accountants & other very intelligent people check the wrong box & even miss it completely. If Academy is banning folks 30 days & putting their name on the list for this normal occurring mistake, then they deserve negative press.

I'm with the OP & glad his friend got his hellcat from another dealer...screw Academy when it comes to firearms sales, they won't sell AR's in certain areas, they fire employees for trying to stop theft & now make a no buy list on customers without divulging the reason on a 4473 that was not even called in?? Yeah, it's their business and policy but it's the customer's money.