dead deer don't eat or breed. decide for yourself if it makes a difference. I have never spent so much time on a subject by a bunch of low math folks who know everything they read and not much more
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Originally posted by Top Of Texas View PostCollard studies have found no difference in predation rates between male and female fawns.
That's great.....must have been a ***** for the coyotes and hogs to keep the ratio at 1:1 before collars.....
So bucks wear blue and the does wear pink?
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Originally posted by trophy8 View PostI’m out. Y’all keep posting dumb crap and looking for tracking dogs. Post a serious hunting topic and get hammered. Good grief
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Originally posted by muzzyslinger View Postthis site isn't what it use to be, don't get down just keep up with your posting.its refreshing to actually read real post about deer hunting
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Originally posted by Top Of Texas View PostEl General is absolutely, 100%, no biological question about it, no mathematical confusion about it, slam dunk, spot on - correct.
Population growth potential, thus herd numbers, are managed through doe harvest and only doe harvest. Because does have babies, bucks don't. There are no ifs, maybes, woulda, coulda, shoulda's about it.
The "mouth off the range" justification for harvesting bucks less than 6 years old on open range is the last dieing grasps of the culling fad. A ranch could target 30% of the buck herd and few doe, and herd numbers will continue to increase. That is taking place all over Texas.
Where the doe population is being managed to ensure a surplus supply of healthy and reproductive quality browse, thus below carrying capacity, the additional harvest of bucks is ineffective in habitat management because a surplus of forage already exists.
There are a plethora of real-life examples across Texas that demonstrate the sex ratio doesn't become skewed toward bucks when doe harvest maintains herd numbers below carrying capacity and buck harvest is mature only (6 years and up). In open range, there is not a reason anyone should HAVE to kill a buck in the name of habitat management.
Those who feed protein hold on to the last justification for killing immature bucks, but has nothing to do with habitat. Just finances.
Harvest has a memory. If you kill mature does you are driving down fawn crops. Which means fewer bucks. That's not on the front page of your program when you are killing so many does, but that's what you are getting at. You're lowering deer numbers. That's not necessarily what people want.
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Originally posted by Encinal View PostYou're talking about shooting bucks ALONE... Culling to remove mouths isn't a fad, i mean you cull does too... Mouths matter near and long term. A 4 year old buck mouth removed is certainly more impactful than the removal of a .5 year old doe, since she wont have a fawn for 3 years.
I am not talking about shooting bucks alone. I merely use that as an example to exemplify how buck harvest doesn't manage population growth, and thus herd numbers. Stop dodging the points.
Harvest has a memory. If you kill mature does you are driving down fawn crops. Which means fewer bucks. That's not on the front page of your program when you are killing so many does, but that's what you are getting at. You're lowering deer numbers. That's not necessarily what people want.
The whole point of killing doe is to reduce fawn production for the purpose of maintaining herd numbers that ensure high quality natural forage. Yes, that means fewer bucks produced, but the bucks that are produced will have quality forage and thus grow better antlers.The majority of Texas is still low fence without supplemental feed, and doesn't have the luxury of artificially carrying more animals than the range can naturally support while still growing giant bucks via that high fence and unlimited resources to feed multiple tons of protein pellets. Big deer can be grown in the Walmart parking lot.
Scientific evidence clearly shows that whitetail doe breed at 1.5 years, typically can produce 1 fawn at 2 years old, then twins there after. Not having fawns until 3 years is an inaccurate statement.
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