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Originally posted by No-Tox View PostYou know all these large stadiums are done via a bond that is voted on by the citizens. So, who is really at fault for the higher taxes?
I am well aware of how all the bonds work. I even bought into quite a few of them when they were paying 4-5% interest. Unfortunately the monies are so mismanaged that every two years seems like another school bond is being voted on.
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Originally posted by Goldeneagle View PostThis is more of a frustration rant. I feel like the building and property belong to Allen ISD. If repairs or upgrades are needed, the district needs to foot the bill with the tax dollars the citizens are paying. The classroom stuff is not as big a deal. It just gets frustrating when every e-mail you open is asking for more $ in some form or fashion.
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Originally posted by bigbad243 View PostI get it, but it is misguided. By your own admission you said it wasn't the PTA asking for the money, but it is/was. There shouldn't be anything to be frustrated about, it is a donation, you don't have to do it.
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Originally posted by curtintex View PostWait....I think the Katy Stadium budget was $75MM-$90MM. So you're telling me that you could find nine 10ac sites near each respective high school, provide engineering and design, put in access roads, underground utilities, detention for drainage, metal bleachers to accommodate the fan base, concession stands, plumbing for restrooms, sub-field drainage, turf or grass fields, goal posts, locker rooms, lights, scoreboards, parking lots, and do it all for less than $10MM? Don't forget the maintenance on 9 facilities and the need to add a stadium when you add HS #10. I think that is very highly unlikely and logistically no feasible.
So if I agree that all those things are requirements, then I agree, you have a point.
That being said, not all those things are necessary. No doubt, there are costs associated with land acquisition (To the extent its necessary), excavation, and site prep, along with things like lighting and other misc. materials. Won't argue there.
Beyond that, things can be done to reduce expense, like getting the basics first, then adding over time, as money becomes available. Growing up, if we wanted something at our football/baseball fields, we had a high school class, such as woods, or metals, or marketing make it happen. Marketing ran concessions, woods built the structure for concessions, metals assembled the bleachers, Woods and metals poured the concrete. But my understanding is most schools did away with classes like that a long time ago. We got artificial grass the last year I was in high school. We set up a bond for it, the football players fund-raised for it, and went door to door asking residents to vote yes for the field, and we got the money we needed to build it, by itself, with a bond. Never once have I seen a Katy football player come to my house asking me to vote yes for that stadium, or even a thank you from the superintendent who pushed for it.
If anyone takes an objective view at this, they would see the ridiculousness of a $75 to 90MM stadium for high schoolers who have less than .1% chance of going beyond HS with football scholarships.
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Originally posted by dhillis View PostI understand the frustration about football having huge stadiums to play football in, but unless you live in that community, you shouldn't complain. Also, big ticket items such as new schools and football stadiums are not part of a regular school budget. Those things are paid for with bonds. The people in the community vote on bonds which specifically list where and how the money for the bond will be spent. So, the majority of the people that live in these communities are ok with the large stadiums. If they weren't, the bond would have never passed to build it.Last edited by JonBoy; 09-19-2018, 12:42 PM.
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Originally posted by JonBoy View PostNot necessarily. I grew up in Converse and went to Judson HS...when JISD floats a bond that fails they just keep putting it up for vote until people get too tired (or lazy) of voting it down. Currently JISD is working on its 4th bond proposal for building the same HS that keeps being voted down. Same thing happened when they built the current Judson HS & Judson stadium...only after the bond was passed the person who received the contract was later found (after massive schedule & budget overruns) to have been related to one of the board members. Source
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Originally posted by JonBoy View PostNot necessarily. I grew up in Converse and went to Judson HS...when JISD floats a bond that fails they just keep putting it up for vote until people get too tired (or lazy) of voting it down. Currently JISD is working on its 4th bond proposal for building the same HS that keeps being voted down. Same thing happened when they built the current Judson HS & Judson stadium...only after the bond was passed the person who received the contract was later found (after massive schedule & budget overruns) to have been related to one of the board members. Source
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Originally posted by Walker View PostSchool boards in general are no different from any other politicians. They are good at spending "our" money. Seguin ISD recently spent $1,000,000 on a football field score board.
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Originally posted by 3DW5 View PostAnd guess what, that money will be made back within 3 years because of advertising on that score board. Its important to know the facts.
No doubt they get paid, but it would be interesting to know the real numbers, not just "We will get paid back".
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Originally posted by Wall_Hanger View PostIts a reoccurring theme for districts. Crosby ISD is broke and looking at mid year layoffs. Prior administration officials overspent by million dollars over the last 3 school years and now we are having to dig out of the hole. Its going to be a mess for a while. Teachers have been told they shouldn't use copy paper and are having to email parents to setup classroom donations so that they have enough supplies to make effective lessons for the kids.
FWIW, the playgrounds that are "approved" are much more expensive than you think. Our Kindergarten Center is trying to fund raise for a new playground and its around $75k....and doesn't get you near what you think it should.
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Originally posted by Spoiled_TN_boy View PostTexas is ridiculous with football. Tons of wasted money on sports when it should be invested in things that will help in the workforce. At least the fast food industry will never have an employee shortage.
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Originally posted by WItoTX View PostHow much do they make per advertisement on the board? Katy ISD said that same thing, and I haven't seen a figure for how much they actually make back per advertisement spot.
No doubt they get paid, but it would be interesting to know the real numbers, not just "We will get paid back".
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