Is Integrity a thing of the past?

[RiverRat1]

Well quite frankly it is. It's just business, and honestly on the flipside it remains the same. Not sure OP did anything wrong, I don't know the whole situation, but gone are the days that companies reward you for loyalty (most of the time). At the end of the day, a business tries to make as much money at the lowest cost. As an employee, you are trying to make as much money ( and stability of that income) for your skills/abilities. Companies pay the market assuming they'll leave a lot of the time. My company has an 80% attrition rate for new hires on the low end, which they replace with senior guys that they pay way more, who proceed to retire in 5 years. Then they complsin no one stays lol. I've been treated fairly as far as their system goes, but fair usually means same or less pay than people with less responsibility lol. If there's no reward for achieving internally, employees will look for reward externally.

Guy should have atleast quit in person. That's spineless to just "text"

At least he texted

I had a couple guys just drive off without saying a word. But you better believe they filed for unemployment. Had one guy quit..IN WRITING..and he still filed unemployment, we fought it, and he still won.. And we really needed him and in in no way wanted him to leave.

To sum up people are steaming piles of crap a lot of the time. That in turn makes employers do things that make them look bad.

[RiverRat1]

Well I typed a response to this, it was rude so I deleted it but I just cannot let it go. Cricman, your statement is just plain wrong. You are making an excuse for a person that took the coward's way out. I don't know the guy personally, but to quit a job by text is a cowards way out. If a man gives you a job and you decide to leave, you go shake his hand and look him in the eye, thank him for the work then you tell him that you are moving on. It's pretty simple and keeps doors open down the road.

Yep..

People just don't care anymore. They think jobs are everywhere (which they are right now) and they can always get a new job.

Just another reason we need a real depression. People are jus spoiled and stupid these days.

[RiverRat1]

The way companies are these days, micro managing, disloyal to employees, especially those that have put in a lot of time, its all about profit to the point where the company will do their best to recover all the money that employees have saved or have in a pension. No I don't think he was disloyal, he was loyal to himself.

IMO small business are better than ever at how employees are treated. Big business are worse.

Although I'm sure there are some crappy small business and very good big ones.

[Traildust]

The way companies are these days, micro managing, disloyal to employees, especially those that have put in a lot of time, its all about profit to the point where the company will do their best to recover all the money that employees have saved or have in a pension. No I don't think he was disloyal, he was loyal to himself.

You want loyalty.....go buy a dog!

Show me the money!

[Johnny_Dodson]

Is Integrity a thing of the past?

Because you might fire him when he gives you the two weeks notice when he might have already accounted for the last two weeks of work budget wise. If the new gig isn't expecting him until the end of those two weeks, he will be out of work for a pay period.

Like I said, execution was lacking but I can't blame him not giving notice with how some employers are.

This is proof on the lack of integrity in this decision. Your integrity isn’t based on the integrity of the other party. Meaning if you have integrity you do the right thing regardless of what the other party may or may not do.


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[Thainixs]

I will say it goes both ways nowadays. Not much loyalty from employee or company anymore. I gave a month notice when I left my last job to help train a few people. In return they promptly cheated me out of my paid vacation time pay.

[Thainixs]

It was a huge Fortune 500 Company, so I’m sure small businesses are more loyal.

[bowhuntertex]

This is proof on the lack of integrity in this decision. Your integrity isn’t based on the integrity of the other party. Meaning if you have integrity you do the right thing regardless of what the other party may or may not do.


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this is exactly what integrity is and I notice a lot of lack of integrity on this thread. Integrity is about the only thing no one can take from you and lots of people just throw it out the window.

I have never in my life not given a two week notice. The new employer knew I may not be able to start for a couple of weeks or I maybe starting the next day.

[Abcdj]

Did he ever say. I am looking at another position that pays better?
Would you have tried to keep him by giving him a raise?
You employed him. He owed you that oppurtunity.
Just up and leaving with a text and not telling you in person.
Lack of Integrity from him. I say yes.

[meltingfeather]

I'm not seeing integrity as an issue here. People are different and while I certainly wouldn't have left a job like that, it's happened to me and I understand. Disappointed? Sure. Lack of integrity? Not so clear on that one.

Here's another way to look at it:
If he's hand picked to be your right hand man and is that important to you how'd he find another job making more money with somebody that doesn't even know him?

He may have been disappointed as well... in you.

I've seen a lot of folks that were "being groomed for big things" leave when they found out they weren't being paid what they could be making. Promises don't pay the bills.

[lovemylegacy]

Yeah, yall are right, he shoulda told you to the face or at least a phone call, that he was not gonna work with you anymore. However you cant fault him for going to a better job....allegedly

[quarterback]

This is what I have told my sons about integrity:

"Integrity takes years to build up and seconds to destroy. Do your level best to earn your integrity and stop yourself if you are fixing to do something that will destroy it. It's a precious attribute that few truly possess."

[JHT]

Sharkhunter,

How old was the guy?

[Traildust]

I will say it goes both ways nowadays. Not much loyalty from employee or company anymore. I gave a month notice when I left my last job to help train a few people. In return they promptly cheated me out of my paid vacation time pay.

But didn't you feel better knowing you could take that integrity to your grave like others have said on this thread?

It boils down to what kind of relationship you have with your employer and what industry you work in. They best cure for red-arse is trail dust!

[Da' Hitman]

Aside of leaving the Air Force, i have always spoke to the boss and told him the pay and package I'm being offered. Match it or beat it and i will stay right here. Only 1 employer has ever matched an offer and i stayed. I have worked 4 jobs including the Air Force. I prefer to stay with a job and move up the scale in place if possible