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    #91
    Originally posted by Tony Pic View Post
    Can anyone answer this?


    I give my fair share of funds to the NRA but that doesnt mean I agree with what they did here or past positions they have taken. Only time I give moneybis through the friends of NRA banquets. I know where the money goes and a lot of it stays local.


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      #92
      Originally posted by westtexducks View Post
      I give my fair share of funds to the NRA but that doesnt mean I agree with what they did here or past positions they have taken. Only time I give moneybis through the friends of NRA banquets. I know where the money goes and a lot of it stays local.


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      What did they do " here "?

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        #93
        Originally posted by Rubi513 View Post
        With all due respect, the organizations you mentioned do not have the funds to put up much of a fight on anything...

        That's Tony's point.


        The GOA has approximately 1.5 million members. That’s nothing to sneeze at and they are much less compromising on issues.

        Plus they spend their money on things that forward gun rights and not on advertising and free gimmicks. And they don’t call begging for money by using scare tactics.

        If the NRA would do the same, I’m betting their membership would skyrocket.


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          #94
          Originally posted by Mike D View Post
          The GOA has approximately 1.5 million members. That’s nothing to sneeze at and they are much less compromising on issues.

          Plus they spend their money on things that forward gun rights and not on advertising and free gimmicks. And they don’t call begging for money by using scare tactics.

          If the NRA would do the same, I’m betting their membership would skyrocket.


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          I agree, but that doesn't change who the big dog is...

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            #95
            I agree also Mike, But I think they are approaching the politics like marketing. Trying to sell. Some people spend $20 in fuel to get the free flashlight from harbor freight, so marketing works. I do not get the calls so many complain of, and it ain't because I give them so much money that they took me off the call list. I do work the Friends of the NRA dinner and help raise money for the event. I have seen first hand how the money comes back. I don't believe for one minute Wayne LaPierre is lighting cigars with $100 bills.
            I have been a NRA annual member since 1989.
            Would you rather fight on a team of 5 million or 1.5 million? I am not saying GOA does not have it right. Strength in numbers is what I am saying. What do the folks who make the laws care about? Votes. Who can deliver votes?( Rhetorical).
            I think most of us are on the same page here. Except for a few on this screen who are on board with no black rifles and no 30rd mags. If GOA or any other organization were a formidable threat, the antis would be dragging their name in the media through mud like the NRA is having done. That is not happening.
            Not for the sake of me being right, But I defend the NRA because I see what they do and have done here locally. I would hate to think where we all would be if they did not fight the fight. There is No one to push back. Where were the alternative gun rights groups when all this is going down? Or is this just a NRA problem, not a American gun owner problem?

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              #96
              Originally posted by Mike D View Post
              The GOA has approximately 1.5 million members. That’s nothing to sneeze at and they are much less compromising on issues.

              Plus they spend their money on things that forward gun rights and not on advertising and free gimmicks. And they don’t call begging for money by using scare tactics.

              If the NRA would do the same, I’m betting their membership would skyrocket.


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              With only 2.15 million in Revenue they don’t have very deep pocketed members.

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                #97
                Originally posted by Texans42 View Post
                With only 2.15 million in Revenue they don’t have very deep pocketed members.


                Maybe not but I bet their operating expenses are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy less than the NRA.


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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Tony Pic View Post
                  I agree also Mike, But I think they are approaching the politics like marketing. Trying to sell. Some people spend $20 in fuel to get the free flashlight from harbor freight, so marketing works. I do not get the calls so many complain of, and it ain't because I give them so much money that they took me off the call list. I do work the Friends of the NRA dinner and help raise money for the event. I have seen first hand how the money comes back. I don't believe for one minute Wayne LaPierre is lighting cigars with $100 bills.
                  I have been a NRA annual member since 1989.
                  Would you rather fight on a team of 5 million or 1.5 million? I am not saying GOA does not have it right. Strength in numbers is what I am saying. What do the folks who make the laws care about? Votes. Who can deliver votes?( Rhetorical).
                  I think most of us are on the same page here. Except for a few on this screen who are on board with no black rifles and no 30rd mags. If GOA or any other organization were a formidable threat, the antis would be dragging their name in the media through mud like the NRA is having done. That is not happening.
                  Not for the sake of me being right, But I defend the NRA because I see what they do and have done here locally. I would hate to think where we all would be if they did not fight the fight. There is No one to push back. Where were the alternative gun rights groups when all this is going down? Or is this just a NRA problem, not a American gun owner problem?


                  There’s no doubt the NRA is the elephant in the room. I begrudgingly send them money but that’s the only reason why. Unfortunately our political system is so ****ed up that as an individual I have no direct voice so I have to hire organizations as a proxy.


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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Mike D View Post
                    Maybe not but I bet their operating expenses are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy less than the NRA.


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                    Maybe not....Apparently They over spent revenue in 2015


                    Certain things I don’t like about NRA also, with that said their currently isn’t an effective alternative that’s even in the same room.

                    I’m not putting my money or faith into an org that couldn’t raise enough money to buy a Macdonalds.

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                      Originally posted by Mike D View Post
                      The GOA has approximately 1.5 million members. That’s nothing to sneeze at and they are much less compromising on issues.

                      Plus they spend their money on things that forward gun rights and not on advertising and free gimmicks. And they don’t call begging for money by using scare tactics.

                      If the NRA would do the same, I’m betting their membership would skyrocket.


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                      I personally do not understand why so many gun owners do not feel like you & I Mike...I agree with you it's dumb to give up any of the rights you have mentioned in the past, but I greatly disagree with you that membership would increase with a hardline stand along our line of thinking. You see it here on tbh as there are folks who do not think we should own AR's or even full auto's going through the NFA process even though they cannot point to any data to show their reasoning. When you task them to show some news stories of NFA items being used in crimes which they cannot, they just crawfish & comes down to 'feelings' & it's an irrational thought process. Heck, I actually try to make it a point to not have or use any NFA item for a daily/primary defense weapon!! Even though it would 100% be justified, it could be taken for an undetermined time for evidence I'm guessing & not worth worrying about that aggravation.

                      Another Example: I think it was dumb to ban the bump stock (even though I personally have no use for them) but I can promise you if the NRA came out stating publicly they were going to fight to keep the bumpy sold over the counter?? NRA membership would plummet!! That item was vilified overnight within our own ranks. It's a cheap sacrificial lamb & again feel it's stupid, but the NRA made the correct 'political' option by stating it should fall under further scrutiny, be it a NFA item or ban it all together. They simply were not going to win & being a political organization you have to lose a battle at times to win the war. I know you detest hearing such, but All you have to do is read letters to the editor in the monthly American Hunter...there is a substantial portion of gun owners that has no use for hi-cap mags, AR's AK's and the such. No NFA items are needed, etc. They have compartmentalized & *******ized the 2nd into a bizarre self serving 'living' document because after all, it was written back in the muzzle loader days. These are NRA members!! Our founding fathers were brilliant, the 2nd is simply to give the free man the chance to defend himself & his God given rights from a tyrannical govt. Period. It has nothing to do with

                      I genuinely believe we would have LOST the Heller case without the NRA ILA!! Like Tony, I cannot imagine where our 2nd would be without the organization...yeah, they drop the ball but I'm still proud to be a Life Member because of the big battles they have won for us. I know you and I will never agree completely with the NRA but appreciate the mutual respect when discussing. I don't like giving an inch but I've come to be tolerant & understand most of the goofy decisions. I haven't received a phone call from them in decades.

                      I am disappointed in Yeti with their response...they would not have mentioned 'recent events' if it was a only a competition / monetary issue. I'm not blowing my products away, but I do know who I will not be spending any future $$$$ when a new cup or cooler is wanted.

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                        Originally posted by Artos View Post
                        I personally do not understand why so many gun owners do not feel like you & I Mike...I agree with you it's dumb to give up any of the rights you have mentioned in the past, but I greatly disagree with you that membership would increase with a hardline stand along our line of thinking. You see it here on tbh as there are folks who do not think we should own AR's or even full auto's going through the NFA process even though they cannot point to any data to show their reasoning. When you task them to show some news stories of NFA items being used in crimes which they cannot, they just crawfish & comes down to 'feelings' & it's an irrational thought process. Heck, I actually try to make it a point to not have or use any NFA item for a daily/primary defense weapon!! Even though it would 100% be justified, it could be taken for an undetermined time for evidence I'm guessing & not worth worrying about that aggravation.

                        Another Example: I think it was dumb to ban the bump stock (even though I personally have no use for them) but I can promise you if the NRA came out stating publicly they were going to fight to keep the bumpy sold over the counter?? NRA membership would plummet!! That item was vilified overnight within our own ranks. It's a cheap sacrificial lamb & again feel it's stupid, but the NRA made the correct 'political' option by stating it should fall under further scrutiny, be it a NFA item or ban it all together. They simply were not going to win & being a political organization you have to lose a battle at times to win the war. I know you detest hearing such, but All you have to do is read letters to the editor in the monthly American Hunter...there is a substantial portion of gun owners that has no use for hi-cap mags, AR's AK's and the such. No NFA items are needed, etc. They have compartmentalized & *******ized the 2nd into a bizarre self serving 'living' document because after all, it was written back in the muzzle loader days. These are NRA members!! Our founding fathers were brilliant, the 2nd is simply to give the free man the chance to defend himself & his God given rights from a tyrannical govt. Period. It has nothing to do with

                        I genuinely believe we would have LOST the Heller case without the NRA ILA!! Like Tony, I cannot imagine where our 2nd would be without the organization...yeah, they drop the ball but I'm still proud to be a Life Member because of the big battles they have won for us. I know you and I will never agree completely with the NRA but appreciate the mutual respect when discussing. I don't like giving an inch but I've come to be tolerant & understand most of the goofy decisions. I haven't received a phone call from them in decades.

                        I am disappointed in Yeti with their response...they would not have mentioned 'recent events' if it was a only a competition / monetary issue. I'm not blowing my products away, but I do know who I will not be spending any future $$$$ when a new cup or cooler is wanted.
                        ^^^^^nailed it!!!!!

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                          nra-yeti-2nd

                          is there really anyone else fighting for your right to own firearms? I feel I have no choice but to stand w/the nra. I sent cortec group(they own yeti brand) and email asking if they knew yeti's customer base is comprised of many hunters/fishers, in TX, anyway. I also know many left wing, tree hugging, want to be hippy, skinny jeaners that buy the yeti tumblers....... b/c it's cool right now

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                            Originally posted by Artos View Post
                            I personally do not understand why so many gun owners do not feel like you & I Mike...I agree with you it's dumb to give up any of the rights you have mentioned in the past, but I greatly disagree with you that membership would increase with a hardline stand along our line of thinking. You see it here on tbh as there are folks who do not think we should own AR's or even full auto's going through the NFA process even though they cannot point to any data to show their reasoning. When you task them to show some news stories of NFA items being used in crimes which they cannot, they just crawfish & comes down to 'feelings' & it's an irrational thought process. Heck, I actually try to make it a point to not have or use any NFA item for a daily/primary defense weapon!! Even though it would 100% be justified, it could be taken for an undetermined time for evidence I'm guessing & not worth worrying about that aggravation.



                            Another Example: I think it was dumb to ban the bump stock (even though I personally have no use for them) but I can promise you if the NRA came out stating publicly they were going to fight to keep the bumpy sold over the counter?? NRA membership would plummet!! That item was vilified overnight within our own ranks. It's a cheap sacrificial lamb & again feel it's stupid, but the NRA made the correct 'political' option by stating it should fall under further scrutiny, be it a NFA item or ban it all together. They simply were not going to win & being a political organization you have to lose a battle at times to win the war. I know you detest hearing such, but All you have to do is read letters to the editor in the monthly American Hunter...there is a substantial portion of gun owners that has no use for hi-cap mags, AR's AK's and the such. No NFA items are needed, etc. They have compartmentalized & *******ized the 2nd into a bizarre self serving 'living' document because after all, it was written back in the muzzle loader days. These are NRA members!! Our founding fathers were brilliant, the 2nd is simply to give the free man the chance to defend himself & his God given rights from a tyrannical govt. Period. It has nothing to do with



                            I genuinely believe we would have LOST the Heller case without the NRA ILA!! Like Tony, I cannot imagine where our 2nd would be without the organization...yeah, they drop the ball but I'm still proud to be a Life Member because of the big battles they have won for us. I know you and I will never agree completely with the NRA but appreciate the mutual respect when discussing. I don't like giving an inch but I've come to be tolerant & understand most of the goofy decisions. I haven't received a phone call from them in decades.



                            I am disappointed in Yeti with their response...they would not have mentioned 'recent events' if it was a only a competition / monetary issue. I'm not blowing my products away, but I do know who I will not be spending any future $$$$ when a new cup or cooler is wanted.


                            That’s the rub though, every piece of gun control (legislation or administrative) got blessed by the NRA and sold that to the members/public as “it would have been so much worse without us!”.

                            You’re almost certainly spot on about the Heller case. Between Heller and the bump stock issue you highlighted the dichotomy of the NRA. The cost to our rights is too high to justify the benefit for me and every time they start to act like they have a real spine and nearly suck me back into the membership fold they backslide again.


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                              Originally posted by Gherkin05 View Post
                              It would be like Subaru coming out against gay marriage.
                              lmao. Or like Viagra telling the **** industry and **** stars that they can't buy Viagra and use them.

                              All I know is my YETI sales are up 31% since this BS. One company ordered 75 ramblers with the NRA logo with the line through it . I also sell Kula and became a Orca dealer a couple months back.


                              im not a NRA member nor will I ever be. I only believe in a few things that they do. So I'm not a NRA life member or a YETI life member BUT I am a 2nd amendment life member. . I carry every day.
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                                Originally posted by Breezy View Post
                                lmao. Or like Viagra telling the **** industry and **** stars that they can't buy Viagra and use them.

                                All I know is my YETI sales are up 31% since this BS. One company ordered 75 ramblers with the NRA logo with the line through it . I also sell Kula and became a Orca dealer a couple months back.


                                im not a NRA member nor will I ever be. I only believe in a few things that they do. So I'm not a NRA life member or a YETI life member BUT I am a 2nd amendment life member. . I carry every day.
                                the reason you CAN open or conceal carry has alot to do with nra.

                                your welcome.

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