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Originally posted by JTeLarkin08 View PostBut back on topic. I think guys would be amazed with how people from out west look at our way of hunting out here in Texas. Hell im from here and I think high fences are the worst thing that has happened to hunting probably ever. Some parts of Texas just have livestock and not wildlife. I mean just look at the thread going right now where the dip **** shoots a show goat with a blow gun in a pen. That doesnt look good for hunting.
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Originally posted by WItoTX View PostTwo co workers were on a several thousand acre HF ranch (Greater than 10,000). They drove around all day until they saw what they wanted, hopped outta the truck, shot the animal they wanted from a herd of say 5 to 10 animals. Well the other animals that didn't get shot had to be shooed away because they were so used to people that they didn't know to run. Those same co workers have done similar hunts numerous times, and multiple ranches, so I know this isn't a one off situation.
That is what most people not from Texas think of Texas HF hunting.
I've hunted on various pastures of the King and Kenedy - all low fence - and the deer on that area of the coast simply behave and respond to humans differently than anywhere else. Some of it is attributable to regular baiting, but even areas where deer may have never seen a human or bait aren't as skittish as elsewhere.
We have 1800 acres that has been in our family for almost a century. Various sections have been fenced over the last 15-20 years - essentially none by us - until it's pretty much fully fenced now. One question I ask HF hunting opponents is "Would you quit hunting it?"
I've witnessed deer behavior in the years before, during and after the high fences going up, and deer behavior and patterns have remain unchanged. During October and most of November, I begin to question if we even have any deer on the property. My Dad used to tell me (well before HF and/or feeders on the property) not to bother hunting before Thanksgiving . But I do. Every year. I keep thinking (hoping) things will change THIS year. They don't.
With predictability, after Thanksgiving we'll start seeing some does and younger bucks, with maybe an occasional mature deer sighting. When the rut kicks in, deer literally come out of the woodwork and movement intensifies. Generally after Christmas is when you have the most predictable deer movement as normally the bucks will start grouping back together and really hitting corn as they try to replenish after the rigors of the rut.
It's the same pattern every year (with exception of this season when we just never saw a huge increase in deer movement even after the rut through the end of the season.) I'm not sure why, but I know the HF had nothing to do with that.
I realize the perception out of state is that HF hunting is "canned", but SOOO many more factors go into deer behavior before HF, especially on larger properties. The letter-writer, with his 50 acres, likely has a legitimate beef in thinking that HF has altered deer's behavior on his property, but likely so, too, do his neighbors that probably felt the need to high fence him out.
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Originally posted by systemnt View PostI like Steven. Big Fan.
I own and have read all his books (even the cooking ones) numerous times.
He has some opinions I dont agree with, but hes allowed to have them....
I do enjoy watching some of his adventures...they are very Shockey-like - and thats a good thing.
His cooking stuff is very educational..and admittingly, gotten me to try stuff i normally wouldnt have.
The only real issue I have is when he does dip into his cali-life-influences and talks **** about feeder hunting, baiting, high fences, or even land ownership in other states (Texas is ALWAYS named first), is its hard to listen to , and not think back to his own writings about him purposely trespassing on Native American property to get to an area that would enable him to kill a buffalo.
(regardless of how bad *** that trip was...).
its just a bit a hypocritical to be high and ethical and moral, and then perform, write (and profit from) about what essentially is poaching.
He is easy to tune-out when he goes into those little areas...because hes predictable in his dialog- so its not a big deal.
I have come to the conclusion that he doesn't hold a high opinion of Texas simply because he doesn't understand it... and lets be honest, most outsiders don't.
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Originally posted by SwampRabbit View PostYep, it is not hard to grasp. Very rarely are you going to see eye to eye with everybody in the world. I am a big fan as well (as I have stated many times on here when it comes up.) It is a bit annoying, but it is easy to move past it. The annoying thing, like you said, isn't so much that he feels negative towards baiting, etc... but that he doesn't quite see the hypocrisy of those feelings when you look at his poaching as a kid, deer drives, and other means/methods that are very similar.
I have come to the conclusion that he doesn't hold a high opinion of Texas simply because he doesn't understand it... and lets be honest, most outsiders don't.
All that being said, I don't agree with him on everything he says (though I agree with him on most issues), but theres nothing wrong with that. He understands different folks have different ideas and that doesn't bother him.
I do think he's a great ambassador to hunting.
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Originally posted by DRT View PostYou can do this on the 2000 acre low fence lease I'm on. Deer stay under the feeder when you walk up and climb in your bow stand.
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Originally posted by WItoTX View PostTwo co workers were on a several thousand acre HF ranch (Greater than 10,000). They drove around all day until they saw what they wanted, hopped outta the truck, shot the animal they wanted from a herd of say 5 to 10 animals. Well the other animals that didn't get shot had to be shooed away because they were so used to people that they didn't know to run. Those same co workers have done similar hunts numerous times, and multiple ranches, so I know this isn't a one off situation.
That is what most people not from Texas think of Texas HF hunting.
It’s all about pressure like these two post show. Take Nilgai in south Texas. They see a truck they haul butt for the next county. They have darted and relocated Nilgai too high fence operations that give them space and leave them alone and within a few months you can drive right by them and they don’t even flick an ear.
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