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i own land in three of the counties mentioned. i took the survey and and i agree with the antler restriction 100%. i am an avid hunter and it pains me to see what people are willing to kill on the last day of the season just to kill something. plenty of hogs and coyotes around if you have an itchy trigger finger! i have looked over at least 20 mule deer bucks this year and none of them would meet the requirements. i do understand people wanting to get something for their money, but arent you really "leasing" the experience anyway? if you wanted to buy a big deer, there are plenty of places around that will sell you one. i actually wish they would manage the WT up here more stringently as well.
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Originally posted by Shane View PostA hunt during the rut would bring higher success for sure. Might mean even more bucks got killed though if they kept it open ended on how many deer could be killed on a place. If they'd issue a fixed number of permits for each ranch, they could extend the season through the rut to allow better opportunity on the mature bucks without worrying about too many bucks getting killed.
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Originally posted by Guerrero88 View Post[ATTACH]886892[/ATTACH]
Here's one that needs to go on our place
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Originally posted by Shane View PostI'd also like to see them allow unlimited year round hunting of whitetail in mule deer country, but that's just me. There's plenty of places to hunt whitetail. Mule deer need all the habitat they can get.
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Originally posted by Shane View PostThey do have MLD for mule deer, but most ranchers aren't on it.
Part of the out of whack buck-to-doe numbers is that you can only shoot bucks and no does, unless you're on MLD. Packing in too many hunters where everybody feels like they need to kill something to get their money's worth, and all they can kill are bucks....and then factor in the huge die off from the drought a few years ago.... All that adds up to a lot of young bucks being killed.
The TPWD biologist for the area is a good friend and she mounted one of them guys from Arkansas for killing a young deer. It was awesome to hear.
Fro several years you could kill mule deer does, but that went away (don't remember the year). For several years we asked the biologist for doe permits, so those knuckleheads that just HAD to kill something, but she wouldn't give them to us. It didn't matter to me. I always worked/hunted harder for a deer than all those guys and I killed some pretty good ones over the 25+ years I hunted there.
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Originally posted by chuckw View Postthis is another problem all together. how many immature 8pts were killed instead of this deer to let him get to this point. few people are willing to "take one for the team" when it comes to hunting!
Your right though. So many young deer are taken every year that have potential to be a trophy animal.
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FWIW, I own a section and a half in Hall. Brother took one muley this year (that wouldn't have met AR). Only mule deer he's ever shot. That's the ONLY mule deer buck taken on the place in the 4 plus years I've owned it. I saw ONE mule deer buck (2 years ago, after end of rifle season) that would have met AR in the 4 years I've had the place. Nothing on camera, and nothing seen by my family that would meet AR.
I had hoped that, getting further out from the drought, I'd start seeing some large 3.5+ year old deer. It hasn't happened. Plenty of does. No big bucks. I'm for it if it can give these bucks some time to grow.
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Originally posted by Mudslinger View PostNM issues a certain number of bull elk, cow elk and archery elk tags to private land owners that have elk on their property or have migrating elk, at least that is what they use to do when I ws guiding up there. All of this is done by survey and they can give the tags away, burn them or sell them as they usually do. I believe antelope is done this way also.
Might work for mule deer in the Panhandle to alleviate hunting pressure since all you can do is shoot bucks and can hunt as many people as you want on any size acreage.
I’ve bought landowner tags the last few years in NM. I feel it’s more of a landowner subsidy than based on science. Landowners with 80 acres can apply for unit wide tags- so the subject property is likely not going to be hunted.
The Ranch Only approach, in which the tag is limited to the ranch is definitely in line with what you are suggesting. Antelope is similar in which tags are assigned on A ranch basis.
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Huh?! What kinda restriction does Matador have now, last time I was there to be a legal muley buck had to have at least 4 points on one side, don't remember if they had any restrictions on whitetails. The way the biologist Chip talked that 4 point on one side rule was going to adopted across all the panhandle counties that had mule deer, guess he was wrong.
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Originally posted by Etxbuckman View PostI would not be surprised to see them eventually intervening with regards to the total number of deer (whitetail, specifically) that can be taken from a given acreage (i.e. smaller properties). Maybe we'll all be MLDP someday.
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This would be a great thing. The numbers are rebounding and I saw and have photos of more up and comers and twin fawns this year then the last 5 years so they are making a rebound. The problem is that the #s are still extremely low especially compared to what was there before the drought.
As Shane mentioned people jamming WT # of hunters per acres for MD will not help but I believe these are land owners thinking it has rebounded to what it once was and $. They will need to figure something out on the does eventually but I personally do not believe we are there yet.
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Originally posted by Shane View PostInstead of AR, I think it would be better if the state issued permits to each landowner, and that's all the deer that could be killed on that place. Pretty much the same as MLD, but just do it for everybody. If a place that is 1,000 acres only gets 1 or maybe 2 buck permits, then it'd be pretty hard to find 6 guys from Dallas to join the lease.Last edited by bossbowman; 12-07-2017, 04:03 PM.
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