Temporary Immigration Ban

[LWC]

What are your thoughts on this? Most know that I'm not a huge Trump fan. But I do think he should be able to make certain decisions regarding our national security without activist judges shooting it down. This was after all a temporary ban for 90 days so they could get a better handle on the vetting process. Seems like a slippery slope that could cost American lives in the future.

The judges sited something about due process for these foreign visa holders, not currently residing in the US. Since when are foreigners (in other countries) given the right of due process under our laws??

[Charles]

I'm in favor of locking down our borders and knowing who is coming in. So I'm against the courts ruling yesterday. Instead of whats best for the country and it's citizen a few have taken it upon themselves to make this political. They have proven they will do anything and everything to grid lock this new administration.

They are going to have a **** ton of explaining to do after the next mass shooting and the bad actors came from one of these seven countries.

[mjbtexas]

i was suprised that the state of wa an wis had "standing" to bring this. Meaning, they sued on behalf of the citizens of each state and it's pretty weak.

trump overreached on existing visas and (US lawyers) basically asked the court to fix the EO by ruling that the ban could stand while honoring existing visas. Kinda boils down to a poorly written EO.

Write a new EO, dont appeal this one.

[Ætheling]

Just more liberals obstructing the new admin. Time to stop playing nice. Start ramming it down their throats every way possible.


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[Ætheling]

Temporary Immigration Ban

I'd suspend all immigration, then they'd have no discrimination to claim.


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[sailor]

And, they're coming to Texas too....

[tvc184]

i was suprised that the state of wa an wis had "standing" to bring this. Meaning, they sued on behalf of the citizens of each state and it's pretty weak.

trump overreached on existing visas and (US lawyers) basically asked the court to fix the EO by ruling that the ban could stand while honoring existing visas. Kinda boils down to a poorly written EO.

Write a new EO, dont appeal this one.

I don't think they have standing and the case against Trump has no merit other than politics.

The claim is that it is a religion ban.... but, there are 49 majority Muslim nations and 42 if them have no ban. People who are not US citizens and not physically in this country have no constitutional protections. Even in the countries with the ban, I have not seen where it onky bans Muslims. Those countries have people of other religions and they were banned also.

There does not seem to be any case at all other than not liking who won the presidential election.

[WItoTX]

What are your thoughts on this? Most know that I'm not a huge Trump fan. But I do think he should be able to make certain decisions regarding our national security without activist judges shooting it down. This was after all a temporary ban for 90 days so they could get a better handle on the vetting process. Seems like a slippery slope that could cost American lives in the future.

The judges sited something about due process for these foreign visa holders, not currently residing in the US. Since when are foreigners (in other countries) given the right of due process under our laws??

As I understand it, all the executive order did was roll back immigration rules to the same as what George Bush had. The left is just having a temper tantrum.

That being said, Obama was able to appoint hundreds of judges over his tenure. This is the result of that. I wish more people would pay attention to politics between elections, not just the days, weeks and months before an election.

Additionally, Trump signed 3 EO's yesterday, one of which I believe was to get vet's the healthcare they need. Not one mention of it on the evening news. Sometimes I wonder if the immigration thing is just a sacrificial lamb so that other EO's can get through.

[Charles]

Most don't even know why they hate Trump

Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDRc080mSuQ

[ultrastealth]

If this ruling were to stand, the U.S. couldn't deny entry to anyone who wants to come here without a due process hearing. If the liberals hate the immigration system that we have now, they're really not going to like that cluster. For these reasons, it won't stand, because it would effectively give U.S. civil rights to every person on Earth and give them the right to sue for entry or for any other purpose.

[Jason Fry]

Two issues worth noting. The states in question had legal standing because of specific state employees who were excluded from returning to their jobs as a result of the travel ban. Second, it has long been affirmed in the courts that due process applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. If people are categorically excluded, with no mechanism for appeal, then due process isn't met. Doesn't matter if they're citizens, have visas, or trying to sneak in. Due process still applies, and the standard wasn't met by the ban.

Not a matter of whether I agree or disagree, but those were the legal principles behind the court ruling. It's pretty straightforward, actually. If you believe that the president has the power to make bans like this, whether you think it's a good idea or not, they still have to follow the established rules of law.

[Bumpy]

I'm in favor of locking down our borders and knowing who is coming in. So I'm against the courts ruling yesterday. Instead of whats best for the country and it's citizen a few have taken it upon themselves to make this political. They have proven they will do anything and everything to grid lock this new administration.

They are going to have a **** ton of explaining to do after the next mass shooting and the bad actors came from one of these seven countries.

The next mass shooting on American soil will most likely be an American like most are. The guys that did 911 weren't even from the countries on the list.

[mjbtexas]

https://twitter.com/Chemzes/status/828244148931194881

warning:cuss word in post

[mjbtexas]

I don't think they have standing and the case against Trump has no merit other than politics.

The claim is that it is a religion ban.... but, there are 49 majority Muslim nations and 42 if them have no ban. People who are not US citizens and not physically in this country have no constitutional protections. Even in the countries with the ban, I have not seen where it onky bans Muslims. Those countries have people of other religions and they were banned also.

There does not seem to be any case at all other than not liking who won the presidential election.

merits shouldnt be addressed if there is no standing, correct? i think i understand but wanted to clarify.

[ultrastealth]

The next mass shooting on American soil will most likely be an American like most are. The guys that did 911 weren't even from the countries on the list.

Fine, give me a number of Americans that you are willing to sacrifice by letting in a group of people who terrorists have promised to infiltrate and who the FBI has admitted they can't screen. How many?