41F thoughts

[WItoTX]

How in the world is it a win?

More unnecessary bureaucratic red tape is never a win.


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One good point, you don't have to be in a trust any longer. It's just as simple to purchase as an individual as a trust.

[35remington]

How in the world is it a win?

More unnecessary bureaucratic red tape is never a win.

Start here: http://americansuppressorassociation...eral-register/. I'll circle back around later.

One good point, you don't have to be in a trust [if you live in a city where the CLEO previously refused to sign under pre-41F law] any longer. It's just as simple to purchase as an individual as a trust.

Almost. Some folks have been buying as individuals all along. Trust still make a lot of sense, because without them, upon your death someone has to pay $200 for every NFA item you own in order for it to be transferred to them. Pick the people who you want your stuff to go to when you die. Put those people on your trust. Easy peasy.

[adam_p]

Start here: http://americansuppressorassociation...eral-register/. I'll circle back around later.



Almost. Some folks have been buying as individuals all along. Trust still make a lot of sense, because without them, upon your death someone has to pay $200 for every NFA item you own in order for it to be transferred to them. Pick the people who you want your stuff to go to when you die. Put those people on your trust. Easy peasy.

In other words to gain in inch you have to give a mile? That isn't a win. Ever.

[WItoTX]

Start here: http://americansuppressorassociation...eral-register/. I'll circle back around later.



Almost. Some folks have been buying as individuals all along. Trust still make a lot of sense, because without them, upon your death someone has to pay $200 for every NFA item you own in order for it to be transferred to them. Pick the people who you want your stuff to go to when you die. Put those people on your trust. Easy peasy.

Or leave $200 extra in the will to pay for it. That's interesting though, I didn't know the CLEO part got dropped from 41F. Thanks.

[WItoTX]

In other words to gain in inch you have to give a mile? That isn't a win. Ever.

Read the links he sent. It's actually pretty impressive, I don't anyone gave a mile to get an inch.

Most interesting is the Hearing Protection Act.

[Mike D]

One good point, you don't have to be in a trust any longer. It's just as simple to purchase as an individual as a trust.

No one was forcing anyone to use a trust but IMO it's silly not to.


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[Mike D]

Start here: http://americansuppressorassociation...eral-register/. I'll circle back around later.







Almost. Some folks have been buying as individuals all along. Trust still make a lot of sense, because without them, upon your death someone has to pay $200 for every NFA item you own in order for it to be transferred to them. Pick the people who you want your stuff to go to when you die. Put those people on your trust. Easy peasy.

So it looks like you are saying the same thing WILTO is saying, no CLEO approval required. While that can certainly be a positive thing, they could have done the same thing and made it happen without all all the stuff to trusts. Or they could have made them "shall issue" mandatory and left the trusts and other entities alone.


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[Mike D]

Read the links he sent. It's actually pretty impressive, I don't anyone gave a mile to get an inch.



Most interesting is the Hearing Protection Act.

HPA isn't tied to 41F so that's a moot point and a totally separate battle.


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[TxNurse]

I see 41F as a win, not a loss. As to your question, the American Suppressor Association is building support. We won't see anything like the Hearing Protection Act passed anytime soon, but the fact that this legislation is being produced and sponsored is a sign to me that we are moving the ball down the field in the right direction.

I doubt the American Suppressor Association would like very many restrictions removed. They are able to charge $500+ for a device which could be sold for $200 if the market were not "suppressed" by regulations.

[150class]

Read the links he sent. It's actually pretty impressive, I don't anyone gave a mile to get an inch.

Most interesting is the Hearing Protection Act.

Hearing protection act is a joke that will never amount to anything

[BTGuard]

The items affected under 41F have absolutely no association with the shootings that have been going on.


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We know that but the general population doesn't... And there is the issue

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[txfireguy2003]

I doubt the American Suppressor Association would like very many restrictions removed. They are able to charge $500+ for a device which could be sold for $200 if the market were not "suppressed" by regulations.

I always thought the same thing, but then I realized that the suppressed, overregulated market is keeping them from selling more. Sure they make more per unit (actually probably not, I'll get there later) but I'd rather lower my profit margin a bit and sell a ton more units personally. Think about it, let's say they average $500 profit per can now, and they sell 1000 units a year. If they could cut their profit margin back, say to $250, but sell 5000 units, they'd double their annual profit.

Now, as for how much they actually make on each one. This us where economy of scale comes in. If they buy materials in small to medium lots, it costs more. There are R&D costs as well as regulatory costs associated with every model. If it costs a million dollars to roll out a new design, and they sell only 10,000 of them, $100 of every one is just in R&D and regulatory costs. If they reduce the regulatory costs by delisting them, and sell 50,000 cans because they are easier to get, that R&D expense is reduced to maybe $10 per can.

No, I think they'd love to have them delisted. Dashes would skyrocket!

Now, machine gun owners, they are the ones who want to keep their guns listed. Start selling new legal machine guns again and his $20k m-16 just became a worn out $1k rifle.

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[Mike D]

We know that but the general population doesn't... And there is the issue

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The general population has no clue about 41F and most don't have a clue about suppressors, SBRs and all the other stuff affected by it. These items just aren't used in crimes with any regularity at all.


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[mmoses]

The general population has no clue about 41F and most don't have a clue about suppressors, SBRs and all the other stuff affected by it. These items just aren't used in crimes with any regularity at all.


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Agreed. There are some money gun owners that say.....you can own a suppressor?SBR? that awesome.

Let alone the masses.

A1F is far from a win..... but its not as bad as it sounded at first. The win should be i buy an SBR just like any rifle and i buy a suppressor like a flash hider.

I know that is crazy talk.

[WItoTX]

Agreed. There are some money gun owners that say.....you can own a suppressor?SBR? that awesome.

Let alone the masses.

A1F is far from a win..... but its not as bad as it sounded at first. The win should be i buy an SBR just like any rifle and i buy a suppressor like a flash hider.

I know that is crazy talk.

I think everyone would agree with that. The thing is, baby steps. If tomorrow, a bill got put up that made it so all SBR's, suppressors, and machine guns could be purchased like any normal gun, liberals would go nuts. I mean lose their mind.

Now if you deregulate over time, they don't catch these things. And it sure appears the ball is rolling in the right direction.