Shooting, Anyone else see this?

[Quackerbox]

I personally don't know what cops are trained to do but I was always told that you are only supposed to use lethal force if threatened or there is no other possibilities. I personally think too many of us jump to extreme side.

1. He was walking away you didn't need to shot him, maybe maybe not again I would live a cop to speak up and say what they are trained to do. I think I read the guy was tasered, why not do it again? I think I counted 5 cops

2. Others say shot the MF'er he deserves it for not obeying. What if you found out later the guy had hearing problems does he deserve to die then? I just can't believe some many of you guys think that ending a life when you watched a 2 min video is enough to make that decision.

To me the solution is for better training of our officers. Just like any of us on here that have open carry or concealed carry you have to hold yourself to a higher standard.

Had a lengthy response but figured theres no way this could be real

Walking away toward his open drivers window where he could have had anything to use as a weapon. And I'm pretty sure that guns drawn on you is a universal sign to stop.....even for deaf folks.

exactly

[BrandonA]

It's interesting that the LEO in the helicopter could tell he was not following commands and predicted that things would escalate just before he was shot. No win situation for the cops on the ground. Suspect ignores commands, walking back to his vehicle where he seems to be attempting to open the car door. What do cops do in this situation? Should they wait and let the guy open the car door and potentially access a weapon before shooting?

Its really pretty simple follow instructions. Lack of respect for authority is what is causing all this crap.

[Dakota7493]

You miss the point, the deaf example is only one of a thousand possibilities. My point is we don't know what is going on. Apparently one cop had their taser and another a gun, why did one have one and the other a gun.

To me if the training was the same and the cops acted the same both should have had tasers or both had guns. To save a life why not taser the guy 5 times?

I'm not trying to argue with anyone, I'm only stating that I think additional training will help in situations like this.

Remember the guy in Chicago (I think that was the city ) that guy shot in the back and he was 20 yards away from the nearest cop. The chief and mayor said that that was not the right decision.

Let's face it situation like this are full of adrenaline and if not trained probably you might me the wrong choice.

You're right, we don't know what is going on. Do you know that they are not trained to have a taser drawn if another officer(s) has a gun drawn? Probably not. However...the reoccurring theme in 9/10 of these incidents starts with people who will not listen to commands given in situations like this. I can guarantee you 100% that will never happen to me because if I ever find myself in a situation that a police officer has drawn on me for whatever reason....I will stop instantly from doing whatever it is and comply fully with whatever he is telling me.

[Crazy Horse]

..To save a life why not taser the guy 5 times?

...because, in my book, POLICE LIVES MATTER.

Also ask the LEOs, how effective a tazer is on a doped up out of his mind idiot.

Also ask the LEOs, how many have had a doped up out of his mind idiot pull a weapon on them.

Then ask the LEOs, how many officers have been killed by a doped up out of his mind idiot.

Then ask yourself, who out there will be protecting your wife/children from these doped up out of their mind idiots when all the LEOs have their hands tied.

[Crazy Horse]

You're right, we don't know what is going on. Do you know that they are not trained to have a taser drawn if another officer(s) has a gun drawn? Probably not. However...the reoccurring theme in 9/10 of these incidents starts with people who will not listen to commands given in situations like this. I can guarantee you 100% that will never happen to me because if I ever find myself in a situation that a police officer has drawn on me for whatever reason....I will stop instantly from doing whatever it is and comply fully with whatever he is telling me.

Bingo...

[BrandonA]

You're right, we don't know what is going on. Do you know that they are not trained to have a taser drawn if another officer(s) has a gun drawn? Probably not. However...the reoccurring theme in 9/10 of these incidents starts with people who will not listen to commands given in situations like this. I can guarantee you 100% that will never happen to me because if I ever find myself in a situation that a police officer has drawn on me for whatever reason....I will stop instantly from doing whatever it is and comply fully with whatever he is telling me.

x10000000

[RiverRat1]

I'm not sure what you mean by that. I'm not trying to help "media twist things". I was just sharing a story. I have no idea what happened. I was not there. I do know 4 police cars and a helicopter don't go to a "normal" traffic stop. I'm sure the full story will be out in a few days. The common denominator here is COMPLIANCE!!!! When a cop tells you to STOP; F-ing STOP!!!

Didn't mean that towards you. Just towards all the "it don't look good" people and mainly towards the media saying he had his hands in the air.

[RiverRat1]

I personally don't know what cops are trained to do but I was always told that you are only supposed to use lethal force if threatened or there is no other possibilities. I personally think too many of us jump to extreme side.

1. He was walking away you didn't need to shot him, maybe maybe not again I would live a cop to speak up and say what they are trained to do. I think I read the guy was tasered, why not do it again? I think I counted 5 cops

2. Others say shot the MF'er he deserves it for not obeying. What if you found out later the guy had hearing problems does he deserve to die then? I just can't believe some many of you guys think that ending a life when you watched a 2 min video is enough to make that decision.

To me the solution is for better training of our officers. Just like any of us on here that have open carry or concealed carry you have to hold yourself to a higher standard.

THIS right here is the problem with America. People giving excuses for idiots.

Walking away toward his open drivers window where he could have had anything to use as a weapon. And I'm pretty sure that guns drawn on you is a universal sign to stop.....even for deaf folks.

Don't forget he had his hands in the air. Maybe he's deaf and always walks with his hands up...maybe he was blind also.

...and there in lies the issue; the "problem" isn't with the police; thus why you'll NEVER find your "solution" looking there (without a lose of police lives).

Never blame the real problem. Never say to train the public.

[RiverRat1]

SMH at some of these posts....

What if what if what if.......

What if, he reached into the car, nobody shot him, and 2 cops were killed because they were afraid of the political garbage and backlash that comes from shooting a black guy for doing something wrong.


The saddest part about all of this, is a guy lost his life for no reason other than not complying and the cops WILL inevitably lose their jobs or resign.

It will most likely become obvious why he didn't listen to the LEOs. But of course that will be hush hush as he was a perfect person on his way to becoming a doctor curing disease for all humanity.

[Dakota7493]

I don't know what race, religion, creed, this guy was. Don't care if he was for Hillary or Trump, but I can tell you this isn't a police officer problem that has taken over many parts of this country. This is a cultural thing. I've worked with inner city kids going on seventeen years now and hatred for police is burned into their heads from the day they could walk and talk, be it black, white, or brown. I've had a thousand conversations with kids about decision making and how they are responsible for putting themselves in situations that can lead to violence. "mister, what would you do if a police officer cussed you out, or tased you" and I keep going back to the why are you in this position in the first place? I try tell them that the police are there for them, to protect and serve like it says. They don't buy it, they only see the police taking their fathers, brothers, mothers and whoever away in cuffs or worse. This is their reality and a possibility for their futures. I've seen too many kids on the news that I know personally and had this exact conversation with them.

Okay...I'm done. Unless anyone else want's to try defend a person for not listening to 4-5 police officers with guns drawn on them?!!

[BrandonA]

I don't know what race, religion, creed, this guy was. Don't care if he was for Hillary or Trump, but I can tell you this isn't a police officer problem that has taken over many parts of this country. This is a cultural thing. I've worked with inner city kids going on seventeen years now and hatred for police is burned into their heads from the day they could walk and talk, be it black, white, or brown. I've had a thousand conversations with kids about decision making and how they are responsible for putting themselves in situations that can lead to violence. "mister, what would you do if a police officer cussed you out, or tased you" and I keep going back to the why are you in this position in the first place? I try tell them that the police are there for them, to protect and serve like it says. They don't buy it, they only see the police taking their fathers, brothers, mothers and whoever away in cuffs or worse. This is their reality and a possibility for their futures. I've seen too many kids on the news that I know personally and had this exact conversation with them.

Okay...I'm done. Unless anyone else want's to try defend a person for not listening to 4-5 police officers with guns drawn on them?!!

You are spot on!!!! I don't know whats gonna right this ship but something has to be done.

[Mac...]

It will most likely become obvious why he didn't listen to the LEOs. But of course that will be hush hush as he was a perfect person on his way to becoming a doctor curing disease for all humanity.

Oh of corse! No doubt about that.

[Rack Ranch]

I personally don't know what cops are trained to do but I was always told that you are only supposed to use lethal force if threatened or there is no other possibilities. I personally think too many of us jump to extreme side.

1. He was walking away you didn't need to shot him, maybe maybe not again I would live a cop to speak up and say what they are trained to do. I think I read the guy was tasered, why not do it again? I think I counted 5 cops

2. Others say shot the MF'er he deserves it for not obeying. What if you found out later the guy had hearing problems does he deserve to die then? I just can't believe some many of you guys think that ending a life when you watched a 2 min video is enough to make that decision.

To me the solution is for better training of our officers. Just like any of us on here that have open carry or concealed carry you have to hold yourself to a higher standard.

I think shoot is the word your looking for here....Better education could be a solution as well.

[trailboss]

Didn't read every post but did see a few I will address. Someone mentioned there were several Officers there, why not just tackle the guy? Obviously they were in situation that warranted pulling weapons on the guy. So, here I am at a decent distance to react if I need to - but now I have to rush the guy and put my weapon away to tackle him. Now what if during the trip from me to him, he whips a gun out of his pants and I'm at point blank range with my gun holstered? See the problem here? Continue to give commands at a safe distance until he complies or takes a move that requires a different response.

Then someone said, why did one Officer have a taser and the other a gun. We are trained to always have one Officer with lethal cover if another has non-lethal cover. It should be easy to see why. If the taser isn't effective and he whips out a gun and everyone else is holding a taser - well you can see where that ain't gonna end good.

Why not wait til he reaches in the car to see what he comes out with? It's called reaction time. Action always beats reaction. When an Officer, or anyone else, observes a action, it takes the brain approximately 1/3 second to process the action and realize it is a threat, then another 1/3 second to react (draw, aim, run, etc), the another 1/3 second to take your own action (draw, aim, run, etc). In that full second it takes to respond, the actor can shoot you at least twice. Action always beats reaction. Don't believe it - try the old penny in the hand trick. Get someone to hold a penny in their open hand palm up. Now put your hand 6" above his hand palm up. Without giving warning, grab the penny. You can turn your hand over and grab the penny before he can close his hand to prevent it.

In this job - hesitation can get you killed.

[Ivanite]

Didn't mean that towards you. Just towards all the "it don't look good" people and mainly towards the media saying he had his hands in the air.