.223 ammo???

[Artos]

Stay away from Steel...

...cases. Most of the bad press reguarding Wolf ammo is due to the steel case.

Stick with brass & clean your rigs. I shoot Black Hills 77gr (Blue box is remanufactured and Red box is New) & I also shoot Winchester Law Enforcement in 64gr soft point in my AR.

I don't have a shorty (yet) so have not purchased any of the high volume ball ammo. Check the gun shows for the Winchester white box 55gr ball...that is what my other AR guys shoot down here by the case.

Also saving brass to reload some day. Need a good set of dies.

[BIG LONG]

just ordered 500 rounds of 55 grain green tip (armor piercing) for $250, oh yea and its brass not steel!

[buford]

Artos - What twist is the barrel that your are shooting the 77gr. round out of?


WCB - What's the purpose of the ammo that you're going to buy? Are you stocking up for the proverbial doomsday scenario, shooting targets, animals...?

[Artos]

1-8 twist Les Bear....

Artos - What twist is the barrel that your are shooting the 77gr. round out of

When i ordered this rig I asked Les what he recommended and he asked what I wanted it for & I told him all sorts of varmints but still want it to shoot tiny groups when I felt like it & this is what he said to go with & what has been most consistant.

He said you can shoot 55's but they will be 1"-1.5" and your groups will shrink the heavier you go and will end up with the 77gr Federal & Blackhills 77 sierras into bug holes and he was dead on.

Most of my LEO buddies carry the Winchester 64gr and it shoots them about 3/4" and pigs can't tell the difference between those and 1/4" 77gr that cost about $1/round....so I save those for paper.

[Mike]

One note on Natchez Supply, we ordered some ammo this morning and they will not let you purchase more than 50 boxes of one brand of ammo. If you are planning on getting more than 1,000 rounds you have to pick something else for the second batch.

I picked up 2K rounds, shipped to East Texas for $886.

Just FYI

[Mike D]

just ordered 500 rounds of 55 grain green tip (armor piercing) for $250, oh yea and its brass not steel!

You will not be able to use that ammo at most if not all indoor ranges.

[buford]

When i ordered this rig I asked Les what he recommended and he asked what I wanted it for & I told him all sorts of varmints but still want it to shoot tiny groups when I felt like it & this is what he said to go with & what has been most consistant.

He said you can shoot 55's but they will be 1"-1.5" and your groups will shrink the heavier you go and will end up with the 77gr Federal & Blackhills 77 sierras into bug holes and he was dead on.

Most of my LEO buddies carry the Winchester 64gr and it shoots them about 3/4" and pigs can't tell the difference between those and 1/4" 77gr that cost about $1/round....so I save those for paper.

Right, so is that a 1:9 twist barrel?

[gofish24]

no problems with the pmc in my ar. the walmart federal ammo works well as does the remington. a few months back walmart was selling a 200 round value pack for about $70.

i reload my own and out of personal preferance will NEVER shoot reloads from someone i dont know! my opinion only, but saving a few cents on ammo is not worth the problems it could cause.

[BIG LONG]

You will not be able to use that ammo at most if not all indoor ranges.

If I'm shootin' those rounds, I don't think I'll be indoors.....lol I shot the gun in with remington express 55 grain, and I'll be huntin' with that round as well

[Mike D]

If I'm shootin' those rounds, I don't think I'll be indoors.....lol I shot the gun in with remington express 55 grain, and I'll be huntin' with that round as well

Hey I don't know where you go to practice. I was just trying to give you a heads up.

[Horitexan]

I would like to get his number, also.

I priced reloading supplies (powder, primers, bullets and cases) at Cabelas last night, and it would cost $430 per 1000 rounds. Once I get some brass to reload, I would be looking at $265 per 1000. I know I can beat Cabelas price by shopping around, but it is a start to get an idea on reloading costs. I already have everything for reloading except .223 dies, but I only have a single stage press.

I'm about to get into reloading myself- because of the lower cost (eventually) and for the quality and variety. I've been finding some good prices at MidwayUSA, Natchez Shooters & Brownells. They've got some nice turret presses (RCBS, Hornady, Lyman, etc.) under $300 (some around $200!) and they can put out a couple hundred rounds per hour. For the amount if paper I punch and hunting I do, that should be plenty. If your shooting a LOT, there are some semi-automatic progressive presses that will output something like 600 rounds per hour or more! It seems to me that reloading pays for itself pretty quickly.

I keep hearing that the military is buying up all the .223 they can get their hands on and that's why some people are having trouble finding it; and that's only going to keep/drive the price high(er). Seems like a great time to get into reloading.

Black Hills makes excellent ammo for .223. I've never heard anyone say anything but good things about their .223 ammo.

[BIG LONG]

I know partner..thanx..they were just ordered for the "oh hell, here we go" time ya know?.....The only range around here is outdoors, and you shoot ply-wood and different distances.

[Tommyh]

The military has contracts from a couple of mfrs of ammo, and that contract gets filled first because they have a hard time keeping up with it. Whats left over is sold to the public from those places. others can make 223 all day long if they want, but the military only gets from certain vendors.

[RLoving1]

Make sure you match the bullet weight to the right twist rate!62 grain and under will work fine with 1:9 twist but if you shoot 70 plus bullet weight go with 1:7 rifling.Rifles made to shoot the heavy bullet(80 plus) have throated chambers due to the seating depth needed.If you decide to reload don't just grab a set of 223 dies even if all measurements are the same the dies for semis are small base dies.I have a special shell holder that lets me do the same thing as S/B dies and they charge more for the dies for 5.56 reloading.Go ahead and get a set of carbide dies or remember to use lube on cases.You can find the twist stamped on bottom of barrel under hand gaurd most times and it may state if it's 223 or 5.56 chamber.Not too hard to remove hand gaurd to find info,just put rifle on butt and push delta ring back towards action(make sure guns is empty please) and hand gaurd should come off in 2 pieces.AR15.com explains most DIY subjects like this.I use to spend way too many hours messing with reloading and ammo issues on my monster!

[Mike D]

Make sure you match the bullet weight to the right twist rate!62 grain and under will work fine with 1:9 twist but if you shoot 70 plus bullet weight go with 1:7 rifling.Rifles made to shoot the heavy bullet(80 plus) have throated chambers due to the seating depth needed.If you decide to reload don't just grab a set of 223 dies even if all measurements are the same the dies for semis are small base dies.I have a special shell holder that lets me do the same thing as S/B dies and they charge more for the dies for 5.56 reloading.Go ahead and get a set of carbide dies or remember to use lube on cases.You can find the twist stamped on bottom of barrel under hand gaurd most times and it may state if it's 223 or 5.56 chamber.Not too hard to remove hand gaurd to find info,just put rifle on butt and push delta ring back towards action(make sure guns is empty please) and hand gaurd should come off in 2 pieces.AR15.com explains most DIY subjects like this.I use to spend way too many hours messing with reloading and ammo issues on my monster!

So you are saying you have found actual 5.56 x 45 reloading dies? Where?