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    Do you think there is a market for this?

    (Long read warning, sorry, I don't summarize well.)

    Many details to hammer out with associated costs, licensing and insurance, so I'm gauging interest in a product/service before I jump off the deep end.

    Most experienced rifle shooters know that each gun has a "preferred" ammo that it shoots better than other brands/loads. Most also know that different bullets are designed to perform on different game, targets etc. Most know that the most accurate shooters only use custom loaded ammo, specifically tailored to their rifle. I've found that the number one thing I have done to improve the accuracy of any of my rifles (and a few friends' rifles as well) was to tune a load for the specific gun and its intended use. I've made guns shoot groups they shouldn't be capable of and I've made ammo that impressed a former military sniper.

    All that tells me that excellent quality ammo is key to great accuracy, and ammo custom tuned to match the rifle is the ideal solution, except that the only way to get that is through reloading. Many folks don't have time to reload. Most don't have the equipment, and it is costly to get started. Many that I know are afraid they will make a mistake and hurt themselves, which is a legitimate concern for sure. Several of my friends are simply realists and know the limits of their patience, and understand that they are not good candidates for reloading. Above all, I think for many people, the idea of reloading is overwhelming, almost an "art", that requires knowledge and skills that they may or may not have.

    I know that companies like Black Hills and a few others have hung their hats on excellent quality ammo, and their prices often are in line with the quality. Hornady, Federal etc. all manufacture some excellent hunting and target ammo, and the prices are all over the place from cheap to insanely expensive. Nobody, that I know of except maybe a few custom rifle builders that tune a load for the rifles they build, offers a custom tuned option. It's always one size fits.....some. Granted, Federal Gold Medal Match is the "gold standard" for .308 target ammo, but what if my gun doesn't like it? "Sorry, try another brand." (Been there, done that, have the targets to prove it.)

    My idea involves custom tuning a load for your rifle. You tell me what you want to use it for, give me the gun for a short time (a few days max if I have the dies and components, a bit londer if I have to source components, but tell me in advance and I'll get them in before I have you bring me the gun), and I'll work up a load for it. Once I've developed the optimal load for that rifle and its intended purpose, I'll save the recipe and you can order a batch of ammo whenever you need it, bring the brass back for a discount. The first batch of ammo would cost close to the same or slightly more than premium off the shelf ammo, but subsequent batches would be cheaper, and they would be custom loaded for your rifle. I would save the recipe, and continue to load for you, as long as you own the rifle and the components are available. If/when you wear out the brass, simply buy more brass and we'll continue.

    As an example of the benefits you would receive, consider the following:

    The cheapest Federal Premium 300WSM ammo at Cabelas is $42 today, that's $2.10 per round. The first batch of ammo would be close to that price as I would have to buy brass (the most expensive component by a large margin), spend time and components working up a load etc, but subsequent loadings would be significantly cheaper as I would reuse the brass from the first batch, and wouldn't have to eat up time and components on load development. Another option would be for the customer to provide the first batch of brass from ammo that he had already fired, and I would simply charge a modest load development fee for the first batch of rounds.

    Does this sound like a service/product that people would pay for? Here's how I see it:

    You can buy several boxes of various brands of ammo, at full price, and find the one your gun likes best, then pay full price for that ammo forever until the manufacturer discontinues it, then you start over......

    OR

    You can buy one box of Premium Custom ammo from me, and I'll continue to make that custom ammo for you and your gun, at budget ammo price, for as long as the brass lasts.

    With my service, you get cheaper ammo in the long run, and it's not only better quality more consistent ammo, but CUSTOM TUNED to YOUR RIFLE.

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    There is a market for it.

    These guys do it http://dallasreloads.com/

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      #3
      Do you think there is a market for this?

      Txfireguy figured out a way to bypass the swearware! You're gonna hammer it out with what??

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        #4
        Lots of custom gun smiths offer the service as well as collect cds or other custom turret info and prove the ballistics to distance. Keep in mind that reloads are a huge liablility.

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          #5
          Their are people here in Houston that due the very thing you are discussing doing, so who would get the recipe or formula or are you only going to reload the brass. I would be interested in you creating a formula for me.

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            #6
            Well dang, I thought it was a revolutionary concept, I guess others are already doing it. Still probably something best suited for a local establishment since lots of people don't want to ship their guns.

            That dude in Dallas is doing exactly what I was thinking, except his load development fee is way more than I was thinking. I was thinking along the lines of component cost, a set of dies if it's not a common chambering, plus a small markup to cover my time. My hope is that I'd have enough repeat business to make up the difference. I mean, if you could buy a box of custom loaded premium ammo for less than the price of a box of average factory ammo, would you ever buy that caliber anywhere else? Think premium bullet, quality prepped brass, individually hand loaded, each powder charge weighed, for about the cost of the cheapest stuff on the shelf (excluding NATO ball stuff, I can't compete with the FMJ bulk ammo crowd).

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              #7
              Folks been doing that since who flung the chunk.. I did it back in the day with rifle, pistol and shotgun it was a great way to help offset the cost of my own reloading..

              Wouldn't touch it in today's litigious society with a 100 foot pole..

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                #8
                Originally posted by stevieray54 View Post
                Their are people here in Houston that due the very thing you are discussing doing, so who would get the recipe or formula or are you only going to reload the brass. I would be interested in you creating a formula for me.
                That would also be a possibility, where I do the workup, then sell you the recipe. Figuring out a price for that service would be difficult though, I think. Flat rate won't work because some rifles are more picky than others. The problem I see there is marketability, if you have the ability to reload, why wouldn't you just do your own development? Most guys I know who reload, do this themselves.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by trophy8 View Post
                  Lots of custom gun smiths offer the service as well as collect cds or other custom turret info and prove the ballistics to distance. Keep in mind that reloads are a huge liablility.
                  For sure a liability, that's one of many of those details to iron out. I'm sure insurance won't be cheap, and I have no idea how much I would need. Would certainly be something to discuss with a business planner first.

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                    #10
                    I feel like to be super successful in a venture like this you'd need to get your name out there by being known for great shooting/winning benchrest matches.

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                      #11
                      Sounds like a great idea to me!

                      Bisch

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                        #12
                        I'd get an insurance quote before I committed to that.

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                          #13
                          Paging Dustoffer, he's actually done just this in the past.

                          I believe component cost and insurance was his biggest issues.

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                            #14
                            This is what I did for about 10 years in conjunction with my LGS and rifle range/gunsmith guy. I did exactly what you proposed. Get gun/scope, intended use, and I asked the owner to choose 3 appropriate bullets. Then I'd do the load workup, provide the targets, load data, and 5 rounds to the owner and collect my pay. I didn't load ammo for sale due to not having a maufacturer's license for ammo. Usually one of the 3 bullets would be "the one" and usually a max of 2, sometimes 3 trips to the range.

                            I had a few guys who shot the 5 rounds and came back complaining they didn't group--so I''d load up 5 more and go to the range and show them the error of their ways. It was sometimes surprising to me how poorly some shooters executed the shot--or shot off of a backpack on the truck hood, etc.

                            Best part is getting paid to shoot a variety of great rifles/calibers, and meeting a bunch of like-minded hunters. Worst part was trying to convince folks that their granddad ("my granddad told me that . . .") or "my sniper buddy said" or "I want a load that shoots flat to 500 yds" didn't have a clue.
                            Last edited by dustoffer; 08-15-2015, 05:29 PM.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by dustoffer View Post
                              This is what I did for about 10 years in conjunction with my LGS and rifle range/gunsmith guy. I did exactly what you proposed. Get gun/scope, intended use, and I asked the owner to choose 3 appropriate bullets. Then I'd do the load workup, provide the targets, load data, and 5 rounds to the owner and collect my pay. I didn't load ammo for sale due to not having a maufacturer's license for ammo. Usually one of the 3 bullets would be "the one" and usually a max of 2, sometimes 3 trips to the range.

                              I had a few guys who shot the 5 rounds and came back complaining they didn't group--so I''d load up 5 more and go to the range and show them the error of their ways. It was sometimes surprising to me how poorly some shooters executed the shot--or shot off of a backpack on the truck hood, etc.

                              Best part is getting paid to shoot a variety of great rifles/calibers, and meeting a bunch of like-minded hunters. Worst part was trying to convince folks that their granddad ("my granddad told me that . . .") or "my sniper buddy said" or "I want a load that shoots flat to 500 yds" didn't have a clue.
                              So then you did what? Sold him the recipe? You have a lot of business doing that? Then what does he he do with the recipe? I assume you were doing work up for reloaders who were too busy to do it themselves, but had the time to load once the recipe was found? I'm just surprised that many reloaders would buy into that. I guess the benefits to you, as a shop owner then, would be in component sales.

                              I met a guy who started out manufacturing 300 blackout ammo and was supporting his family on that and a few AR builds, Mosin accurizing jobs etc. I don't want to do that by any means, because he was producing bulk ammo, and I just do see how you can compete in that market now that Academy sells Blackout for anywhere from 15/box up to 30/box. Hard to get components and still turn a profit at $0.75/round. I just want to make a few extra bucks here and there in my free time, utilizing my love of guns and my OCD. Maybe sometime in the distant future get into building guns for sale. Could build AR's right away once I had a FFL, but that market is full and prices are low. I'd really like, at some point, to buy a lathe and be able to do accurizing, rebarrel jobs, etc.

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