Walter Palmer

[M.E.B.]

He did not poach the bear. He ventured 40 miles outside of the zone he was supposed to hunt in and killed a bear. Then he drug the animal back into the zone and lied about where he shot it.

So the question is was he disoriented or did he do it on purpose?

[Barrett]

Proven a liar? I don't know the man, but I certainly would not pass judgement on him because of what is reported in the media and social media. There are those who will try to crucify "trophy hunters" (and all hunters) no matter how legal or legit the hunt is. You think they won't make crap up to push their agenda???

You have to hire a PH in Africa. Why would someone knowingly hire a PH and pay them 50k to poach a lion? That doesn't make any sense. He may have done something wrong 9 years ago in Wisconsin, but to me that is a whole different question and does not prove him a liar now. Does it help him, no. But to me it doesn't prove anything about lion hunting.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/walter-palmer-poses-dead-black-bear-shot-illegally-article-1.2325552

He lied. Then tried to pay his way out.
Does this mean he poached a lion... NO
Do bribes take place in big game hunting? Sometimes.
Could he have been misled by the guide? Sure
All I am saying is that everything we are given to read makes it look bad for the guy. I cannot find one shred of info that states otherwise. The case will play out and hopefully this man and other big game hunters do not suffer the consequenses of the media.

[Artos]

The msm doesn't care...they hate hunters & will make us out the bad guys regardless.


His bear story is nothing more than fuel...if he poached Cecil, it's bad. If Cecil wondered onto private & a good legal kill, it's still bad. If he killed smokey by wondering off, it's bad. If he killed smokey completely legal, it's still bad. Every animal WE have shot is bad. We can't win the media!!

People need to Get over it. For us to crucify him because of this bear won't help our cause.

We need to Defend the facts / cause / truth of hunting in generals...this one hunter, one lion & one bear shouldn't be the focus of hunting rights.

[BigD]

When it said Cecil was killed in the park it lost me, from what I read the lion came outside the park and they shot him legally

[Kdog]

Walter Palmer

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2325552



He lied. Then tried to pay his way out.

Does this mean he poached a lion... NO

Do bribes take place in big game hunting? Sometimes.

Could he have been misled by the guide? Sure

All I am saying is that everything we are given to read makes it look bad for the guy. I cannot find one shred of info that states otherwise. The case will play out and hopefully this man and other big game hunters do not suffer the consequenses of the media.

He better hope you aren't on the jury, . Did you notice the way that article was written? I have a feeling the author finds all hunting deplorable. I am skeptical of the "facts".

[tradtiger]

None of us knows what transpired on Dr. Palmer's lion hunt, for sure. The difference between TBH members and the general public and media is that we are not inclined to assume the worst of the hunter simply because he is a hunter. If those who claim to believe that people are innocent until proven guilty are honest, then they would also not assume the worst of the hunter.

So, consider what is generally thought to be known. Really only one thing is necessary to sway an objective individual: the hunter paid $50,000 to hunt a lion. Poaching is presumably much cheaper than that. Probably don't even need to hire a Professional Hunter or pay for any kind of license.

Attorneys and courts deal in reasonable doubt and preponderances of evidence. Why would a hunter pay such a sum to a licensed PH, working with a landowner and then intentionally conduct an illegal hunt? I do not know directly that Dr. Palmer did or did not conduct himself in a totally legal manner relating to this hunt, but the generally agreed circumstances tend to argue in his favor if considered objectively, I believe.

Now, if the PH or landowner accepted Dr. Palmer's money and yet did not proceed properly in terms of permits, methods or legal procedures related to that hunt, unbeknownst to Dr. Palmer, how is that Dr. Palmer's fault?

[Tmag]

Still going!

[docmay]

Anyone see this report from bow site? Not sure if it's true but says no charges for the Cecil case and sanctions for the dude that initially reported the story. Will see how this turns out and i will wait for some facts before I pass any judgement. If true do you think our idiot media would retract their initial story?

[coop]

I really doubt that we will ever know the real truth. Zimbabwe is a place rife with corruption, and I could easily see the Zimbabwean officials doing whatever was the most lucrative for them. If this had been any other lion, i.e. any lion not named and collared for a study, no one here would ever know one detail of this whole thing. Lions are not endangered, and hunting them WAS legal in Zimbabwe up until all this mess. Dragging bait lines is the way they hunt them. All we know so far is what a bunch of anti hunting groups put out there for propaganda to try to sway the folks who don't hunt, and really don't have on opinion on hunting one way or the other, to their side.

Like I said, I will make my decision as to how I feel about this guy till a time when I know more facts about what actually happened.

Bisch

I agree totally.

JC

[coop]

There is huge media bias in this case. Search the other threads on tbh about Cecil. He was not protected, he was a wild free ranging lion. A collar gives no protection. There are collared bighorn sheep in the states and banded birds--they are prized and not protected. Hwange park has no fences and the border at least where I hunted was a two track dirt road. Animals coming out of the park are totally legal. I hunted elephant in that very spot. I also shot a bison last year that came out of grand Teton national park--totally legal! There are reports from the hunting camp that the ph found a dead elephant 2 km off the park boundary and built a blind for leopard or lion. Cecil can't there. Who you gonna believe? Baiting big cats in Africa is the norm and totally legal. You can't see the collar in the pics I found and the shot was at or near dark. Legal and hard to see a collar anyway. I encourage people to always seek evidence and truth before passing judgement. I don't know this dentist but one past game offense should not condemn you for life. Everyone makes mistakes! I think there is a bible verse about throwing the first stone. When the tried to throw dr seski under the bus I knew the stool factor was getting high. He is well respected and no history of game violations. It's all media bias, anti hunting and jealousy against people who have money. Look at the dollars that hunting brings to Africa and what it is used for. Look at what happens in third world countries and their game populations when hunting is stopped. If you haven't hunted Africa then I doubt you truly understand African hunting.

It is just so easy to jump on the bandwagon.

[Bisch]

Doc, where can one go to see a clearer pic of that document that can be read?

Bisch

[docmay]

Doc, where can one go to see a clearer pic of that document that can be read?

Bisch

I found it on bowsite but it's blurry there. I'm not sure it's the final answer or all true but it's interesting. And, it's as likely to be true as any of the other stories of poor Cecil.

[SwampRabbit]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cps...03138_lion.jpg

I found only one pic of hundreds where the collar is visible, and for the third time, I have already admitted my error in the comment.
As far as evidence or truth, again, my point is that only one side is being portrayed in the available material on the internet and I find that discouraging for hunters. Those big game hunters, whom I envy, should have some report or leads that would support the desire to hunt. I have not hunted in Africa but I am trying to understand through this thread from those who are knowledgeable.

I wonder if that is photoshopped. I watched the 20/20 news report that seemed pretty balanced that showed the collar as being leather. I would be surprised that you could see that much white on the collar too.

[SwampRabbit]

I don't have doubts he is guilty of illegally taking the bear based on his own admission of lying. However, I don't know what to make of this current issue... Still alot of sensational reporting. One thing is for sure, I would not hunt Zim.

[Bisch]

I found it on bowsite but it's blurry there. I'm not sure it's the final answer or all true but it's interesting. And, it's as likely to be true as any of the other stories of poor Cecil.

Thanks! I went there and could read it much easier. And, it is indeed interesting! I sure hope Mr Palmer was on the up and up, and gets cleared, but even if that happens, his life as he knew it was ransacked, and the media will never recant!!

Bisch