I use to make saddles for Circle Y, then up in Amarillo. It's hard to judge the quality of those saddles from looking at a web site. I'd want to check, among other things, how his full double rigs are attached to the tree. This tells you a lot about a saddle. Then check the seat for uniformity and rigidity. I'm not too happy with the flank straps - they look a little flimsy. I personally don't care for the big cutouts under the stirrup leathers; they reduce stability. I'd also check the skirt blocking. Some shops even use cardboard under there.
In any saddle, especially down here in Texas where your horse gets hot and sweaty real fast, I would NEVER have a saddle with synthetic woolskins, and those are really common, even among very expensive custom saddles. They save on cost. But they slide around more and are twice as hot on the horse as real woolskins. And when you see real woolskins on a saddle, be SURE they put them on butt-forward.
Also, be careful about any saddle made "somewhere in Laredo." There are huge numbers of junk saddles made in Mexico, and I've seen some "major" Texas saddle shops that actually have wetbacks making their saddles, real junk I'd be embarrassed to have in a barn, and would never torture a horse with.
Saddles are not something you want to do cheap. If you just want to ride up and down a trail once a month, or trot in Western Pleasure in an occasional horse show, a production saddle like a Circle Y will be fine (but again, no synthetic woolskins!), but if you're doing heavy horse work and want the real deal, be careful.
I can think of three shops where I wouldn't hesitate to buy a good working ranch saddle: Oliver, Pernokas, and Big Bend.
Oliver (in Amarillo) is up there in cowboy country, where they talk about ranches in square miles, not acres. Poorly made saddles won't survive up there. Oliver's been in business for generations, and their saddles are as tough as tanks, about as good as you can possibly get, at any price.
Custom western saddles and tack for work or pleasure. The Olivers have been serving cowboys and western riders with quality equipment and supplies since 1917.
Another good saddle maker is Nick Pernokas, up in Stephenville. I haven't been through his shop, but I've emailed with him many times and studied his work and I can personally vouch for him.
At Pernokas Saddlery, Nick and Lindy Pernokas and their small staff, create custom saddles and tack in the traditional, personal way. Each piece of leather is cut and fit by hand. This process takes a little longer than mass production, but it is definitely worth waiting for!
Last is Big Bend Saddlery, another place that's been making tough desert cowboy saddles for ages. Lots of cowboys on the 6666 ride their saddles.
I use to make saddles for Circle Y, then up in Amarillo. It's hard to judge the quality of those saddles from looking at a web site. I'd want to check, among other things, how his full double rigs are attached to the tree. This tells you a lot about a saddle. Then check the seat for uniformity and rigidity. I'm not too happy with the flank straps - they look a little flimsy. I personally don't care for the big cutouts under the stirrup leathers; they reduce stability. I'd also check the skirt blocking. Some shops even use cardboard under there.
In any saddle, especially down here in Texas where your horse gets hot and sweaty real fast, I would NEVER have a saddle with synthetic woolskins, and those are really common, even among very expensive custom saddles. They save on cost. But they slide around more and are twice as hot on the horse as real woolskins. And when you see real woolskins on a saddle, be SURE they put them on butt-forward.
Also, be careful about any saddle made "somewhere in Laredo." There are huge numbers of junk saddles made in Mexico, and I've seen some "major" Texas saddle shops that actually have wetbacks making their saddles, real junk I'd be embarrassed to have in a barn, and would never torture a horse with.
Saddles are not something you want to do cheap. If you just want to ride up and down a trail once a month, or trot in Western Pleasure in an occasional horse show, a production saddle like a Circle Y will be fine (but again, no synthetic woolskins!), but if you're doing heavy horse work and want the real deal, be careful.
I can think of three shops where I wouldn't hesitate to buy a good working ranch saddle: Oliver, Pernokas, and Big Bend.
Oliver (in Amarillo) is up there in cowboy country, where they talk about ranches in square miles, not acres. Poorly made saddles won't survive up there. Oliver's been in business for generations, and their saddles are as tough as tanks, about as good as you can possibly get, at any price.
Custom western saddles and tack for work or pleasure. The Olivers have been serving cowboys and western riders with quality equipment and supplies since 1917.
Another good saddle maker is Nick Pernokas, up in Stephenville. I haven't been through his shop, but I've emailed with him many times and studied his work and I can personally vouch for him.
At Pernokas Saddlery, Nick and Lindy Pernokas and their small staff, create custom saddles and tack in the traditional, personal way. Each piece of leather is cut and fit by hand. This process takes a little longer than mass production, but it is definitely worth waiting for!
Last is Big Bend Saddlery, another place that's been making tough desert cowboy saddles for ages. Lots of cowboys on the 6666 ride their saddles.
Sorry for the long essay; you got me going on one of my favorite subjects...
No, I greatly appreciate all the info as well as your time to respond.
I'll definitely check into the brands you posted.
A relative owned a boot and saddle shop in another state, but unfortunately I didn't get to learn his trade secrets before his passing. His kids weren't interested in the business or learning from him so it closed decades ago.
Slone has a production saddle called diamond s it's a cheap built saddle and I don't care for them but the tod slone saddles are handmade and are nice saddles that usually fit horses well
Slone has a production saddle called diamond s it's a cheap built saddle and I don't care for them but the tod slone saddles are handmade and are nice saddles that usually fit horses well
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