Artifact Gurus. Need your input

[GarGuy]

No mussel shells yet but some possible poetry shards. Got a make shift screen put together, going to dig some holes this weekend. Just need Saturday to hurry up and get here......

Man this is worse than waiting to go chase deer!

Wear good gloves and take a youngster with a strong back..thats all i got.

[gmac]

Wear good gloves and take a youngster with a strong back..thats all i got.

Ha! I wish I had good help like that to enlist. I will likely have my daughters with me "helping" but they are 7 and 2 so I won't get much tonnage moved from them. But they love to play in the dirt! I already know I will be sore come Sunday.

[gmac]

Easter Find

I will post better pics once I get home and get it cleaned up. Flipped through my book while still at the ranch hoping to find a match. Maybe a Carrolton??? Would appreciate any input. Better pics to come....

[GarGuy]

Not a Carrolton. its a tweener of some kind but likely earlier than your other point. Maybe one of the guys out your way has a better idea. Cools little dart though.

[gmac]

One side

[gmac]

Garguy I'm glad you said it's a tweener. Makes me feel better that I can't place it either. The more I look at it the more confused I get. I found three or four potential types that it could fit in Turner and Hester, all middle or late archaic. By he way. This was another surface find.

Here is the other side.

[GarGuy]

It may be inching back toward san patrice. probably early archaic judging by the thinning strikes. thats a guess though.

[SNAKEHUNTER]

Your place is not to far from where I live. Have a friend not to far from you that finds all his points around his stock tank. After every rain he walks around the inside and outside of the tank dams and just finds them on the surface. He's probably not a half mile from you.


SNAKEHUNTER

[muzzlebrake]

Flaking

It would have taken some serious skills to make those notches with the tools they had back then. Sorry but that glassy rootbeer one looks like a modern reproduction. Maybe somebody salted your spot? I have been knapping flint for a while and it takes some work to make notches like that even on easy to work glassy rootbeer flint. Bone or antler is not strong enough to make those kind of notches. At least for me. I have made a lot of points in that design. Here's some of my early work before I became a white man.

[Johnny]

It would have taken some serious skills to make those notches with the tools they had back then. Sorry but that glassy rootbeer one looks like a modern reproduction. Maybe somebody salted your spot? I have been knapping flint for a while and it takes some work to make notches like that even on easy to work glassy rootbeer flint. Bone or antler is not strong enough to make those kind of notches. At least for me. I have made a lot of points in that design. Here's some of my early work before I became a white man.

I would have to completely disagree with you on it being difficult to make notches like this way back when. I have hundreds of examples in my artifact room.

[Johnny]

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[Hunter Todd]

It would have taken some serious skills to make those notches with the tools they had back then. Sorry but that glassy rootbeer one looks like a modern reproduction. Maybe somebody salted your spot? I have been knapping flint for a while and it takes some work to make notches like that even on easy to work glassy rootbeer flint. Bone or antler is not strong enough to make those kind of notches. At least for me. I have made a lot of points in that design. Here's some of my early work before I became a white man.

They DID have some serious skills way back then. That point is real in my opinion. Have you ever seen the notches on a Bell or Calf Creek?

[muzzlebrake]

I didn't say it couldn't be done only that it would have taken a master to do those kinds of notches. I can only do those using a copper or steel nail or other flattened piece of metal. I have never found a bone or antler that was hard or strong enough to pressure flake those narrow notches. Maybe they had a piece of bronze or meteorite? That point doesn't look that old from the picture.
Can still see sharp edges at the flake hinges and other places. Looks to be sharpened by pressure flaking with a hardened object like a nail. Maybe it was made after the natives had acquired iron from europeans?

[Johnny]

I didn't say it couldn't be done only that it would have taken a master to do those kinds of notches. I can only do those using a copper or steel nail or other flattened piece of metal. I have never found a bone or antler that was hard or strong enough to pressure flake those narrow notches. Maybe they had a piece of bronze or meteorite? That point doesn't look that old from the picture.
Can still see sharp edges at the flake hinges and other places. Looks to be sharpened by pressure flaking with a hardened object like a nail. Maybe it was made after the natives had acquired iron from europeans?

Big negative. The examples I posted above are middle archaic pieces and found in one camp. I've got 100's of other examples like this in my artifact drawers and all came from the same little stretch along the Frio River. The natives became extremely efficient at making them because they had to. That is what they spent most of their time doing...hunting, making tools, points, cooking etc ect (survive).

Gmac, I see most of your points are made out what looks like Ogallala Chert except for that one piece. Have you found any chips/flakes of flint (material that point is made out of) while surface hunting?

[gmac]

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Tons of flakes and broken river cobble of all different kinds and colors of flint/chert. I am not proficient enough to identify any of it. Have also found pet wood and agatized wood.